I've noticed a growing trend on many Evo X threads where Evo X guys are beginning to dispute the facts as they come out. They're arguing over the official USDM HP/TQ figures and the official USDM weight. That official information has been available on website since 11/15/07...yet they still argue over the facts.

http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...73098&mime=ASC

Don't get me wrong...many Evo X guys are just fine with the facts. Some are dissappointed. But, there are quite a few newbs to this site that fit the description I listed above.

Why would they do that considering the data came straight from Mitsu? I guess they just don't want to believe what they are reading

 

Makes no difference to me. The car still behaves exceptionally well with all of the weight gain. Every test drive testifies to this. Slower in a straight line, fact. Or at least it seems to be. Handles better than an VIII or IX, seems to be YES. Throw in the added creature comforts, styling, and you have a winner. It looks like Mitsu may have left some room for tuning as well, once again according to some of the articles I've read, which would be a plus.

Would I like it to be lighter? Sure. More power? Sure. But I've already got a street/autox/track beast in my VIII, the X MR could be an awesome daily driver.

 

The irony is almost hilarious. I bought a 04 STi when they were first released. It had minimal creature comforts - no cruise control, not even a radio. Since then both EVO and STi have been bashed - by owners, reviews, etc. - about lack of these ammenities and the overall 'cheapness' of the cars - noisy, cheap interior, tacked on wings, etc.

Now Mitsu hears these calls and with the X addresses many of the complaints of yesteryear. Upgraded interior - check. Navigation - check. Heated seats - check. More sound deadening - check. The list goes on and on. Guess what? All of these things add weight. I find it almost commical that peoples gripes have been addressed and now they gripe about that.

The horsepower issue is ludicrus too. Yes, initial claims were ~320. The actual is 295 or so I believe. People are basing their decision to buy or not to buy this car (at $35k-$40k) based on twenty or so horsepower? To me those individuals were never really in the market to buy and are just bickering. Most of us will recoup that 20hp, and most likely A LOT more within the first few months of owning the car with a TBE, intake, and tune.

Long story short - this is the best optioned by far, the best handling, arguably the best looking evo ever. It is a tad slower in a straight line - but that is sooo easily fixed. All of these pluses cost money, so yeah, its going to cost more than a IX. There's a reason steak costs more than chicken strips...

BTW - I own an VIII and I love it. It is simply amazing to drive. But I look forward to seeing how the X feels.

 

i guess since i feel you might be talking about me as well, i should chime in, no dispute here.

Definition of Fact (according to Wikipedia, not sure if that can be disputed, i guess it can)

Generally, a fact is something that is the case, something that actually exists, or something that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.

So like i said in one of my posts, I will belive it when i see it so I will not belive weight, power ratings and price until i set my foot at Mitsu dealership and look athe the sticker on the car, look at the brochure, look at the website, and get this, when they all jive, then i will be a beliver

Same goes for 0-60 times, handling impressions, quality of interior, looks of the exterior, yes you guessed it, I will belive it when i see it, and drive it and feel it.

Other than that, i have no strong feelings on this matter

 

To me the EVO X is what I expect the next EVO will be. I used to own EVO VIII and EVO IX( just sold the car and ready to get a EVO X ). I am 42 and want more refined EVO ! I don't mind the hp and tq at all, because I can always put some bolt on parts to make it 50 hp more than stock, because I think the EVO X stock drivetran can handle 50 hp without problem, even the EVO X is NOT my daily driver, but I still want a troble free weekend car that I can have some fun. Since I don't want a automatic EVO, the only choice is the GSR with SSS package, I can put a Volk 18" wheels and some Tanabe coilover. the power mod will be intake and turbo back exhaust system, EBC and dyno tune ECU. I think that will be about 35 hp more than stock !! If I want a fast car, I can get a used C06 for about the same price. But I like the EVO with 4WD and 4 door !

 

And since the US spec Evo IX had a claimed 286HP motor but in reality it was over 300HP, how do you know those stats are not underrated either? Also, Evo X has better aerodynamics, better weight distribution, better AWD system which helps the engine transfer all that raw horsepower to the ground so there is a lesser power loss than Evo IX. Why won't all the previous Evos fanbois accept that Evo X is a better track car ?

 

oh and i just re-read the title, makes NO sense.

why would the Evo X lovers not accept the facts? Afterall they are the ones embracing the new X

Isnt it more likely that the haters who can't accept a car that is not out yet, be it handling, weight, power rating, looks, be the ones complaining by starting all the "I will never buy and X" treads?

anywho, happy Thanksgiving/

 

I don't think many are disputing that it is going to faster around a track or that it has better handling. My gripe is that it loses the edge that makes it an Evo. I'm sure it is the all-around better car...but i'm gonna miss that rawness. I like my steaks medium to medium rare because its the most flavorful and enjoyable - like the IX. A well done steak is the Evo X...its all around better for you and more supported by the majority, but looses that intense gamey flavor that makes eating a steak (driving an Evo) so damn enjoyable. Hope that analogy makes sense .

 

OT...but...nice to see another Browns fan on the board. Fan since 1973 here.


...now back on topic

 

This thread isn't about underrated ratings. That's a whole different discussion.

This thread isn't about opinions on the handling, the driving experience, etc. That's another discussion with plenty of threads that already have it covered.

This thead is asking the question of why some of these guys are out there saying the official Mitsu spec sheet is wrong. Or, as a couple posts above, they won't believe the spec sheet until the car arrives in dealerships. Well you don't have to wait for the car to arrive...specs for all cars are always released before the car arrives.

Hypothetically, let's say the HP/TQ actually came out higher than the 291/300 official rated output....maybe 320/325. And if the weight was lower than the official rated weight of 3517-3594...maybe 3250-3350. You'd get pretty darn good odds in Vegas that not one single Evo X guy would be arguing that the specs were wrong. In fact, they would be regarding those specs as accurate and as gospel.

It's a bit of a double standard to support specs when you think they're good, but to say they are lies when they aren't what you expected.

 

The thread title makes perfect sense. You should know. You're one of the guys who refuses to believe the officially released information from Mitsu. There are many more like you who won't face the reality of the real numbers.

But, like you said, Happy Turkey Day. I'm having fried turkey...we fry everything down here in the south.

 

Um, no, but it sure did make me hungry around lunch time!!! I'm kidding with you.

 

correct, thats what i said in post#4, but how does that make me an EVO X lover?

let me restate my position again:

EVO X weight, price, power ratings facts: i will belive once all is official

EVO X love v. hate position: i will make that determination when i actually see it, touch it, drive it

 

Now on the X, I am not sure why people are questioning the specs that is being listed. It is what it is and that's it.
If anyone really needs confirmation, just wait till the damn car comes out.


mmm-mmmm fried turkey sounds real good.
I did that last year and almost burned my house down. lol
That was in Fayetteville.
Adam, what part of N. Cacalaca you from?


BTW, To the EVOM STAFF AND TO ALL OF IT's MEMBERS:
HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!

 

I don't see what is so hard to believe - the X gained weight over the JDM version just like the previous EVO did (about the same amount of weight as a matter of fact).