Why can't Evo X lovers accept the facts?
ugh, I don't feel like explaining this, but the motors are totally different between the srt 4 caliber and the evo x. They arent't even BASED on the same block. The caliber is based on the base eclipse/galant 2.4 liter block, the evo's 2.0 liter, while based on the base lancer, is specially built for that car, no other car will get the evo motor. The block is much stronger in the evo thanks to special reinforcements, the ladder support structure, the fact that the block has steel sleeves, the crank, connecting rods, pistons, all stronger in the evo x motor. The heads flow much better, the valve timing setup with the cams are much more advanced and leave much more room for power potential, so basically they have almost nothing in common. The caliber srt4 motor may come close on hp, but torque falls way short. The caliber is set up to make a bit more power than stock with some tuning, but the evo x motor is set up to make big power. To bring the srt 4's motor up to evo x standards, you'd have to replace the entire motor. Long block, short block and all internals, heads, everything. Please don't make stupid, ignorant comments about the car anymore, I've had about as much as I can take. If you want to buy the caliber, go ahead. It's not a bad car, but it sure as hell is no EVO.
and fyi every gema engine from the evo x 2.0l turbo to chryslers 2.4l n/a eng has iron sleeves and a steel forged crank shaft.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...iber-srt4.html
Last edited by billyblonco; Nov 22, 2007 at 12:56 PM.
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Who cares how much it weighs? The car can still deal!
And if anything, the increase in weight means it will be more stable at higher speeds.
Weight shouldn't matter if the car can still perform. . .and this one does.
And if anything, the increase in weight means it will be more stable at higher speeds.
Weight shouldn't matter if the car can still perform. . .and this one does.
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I know that the basic block is shared among the global 4. My point was that the evo x motor is unique, and stronger than the srt4. The block may share basic architecture with all of the 2.0-2.4 liter motors, but it's far different. The crank may be forged in all versions of the block, but only the evo's crank is forged AND crossdrilled to save weight and improve heat dissipation. The connecting rods are also forged in the evo, which are cast in most other versions. The ladder support frame has been reinforced in the evo x motor, the pistons and ring package are stronger than the caliber's, as well as the fact that the caliber doesn't have full floating wrist pins, like the evo x does. It has semi floating. And, to quote the article that you gave the link to, (which I have already read before) " Most of the packaging/dressing components, such as intake manifolds and valve timing equipment, were developed by each partner independently." That's what makes the evo motor different. So, yet again, it's not the caliber motor. Maybe next time you should do YOUR homework.
Last edited by STi2EvoX; Nov 22, 2007 at 09:01 PM.
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the facts, even though direct from Mitsu, can be lower than the real thing. It's like Rockford Fosgate subwoofers... The box may say 250 RMS Watts, but in fact be double that. May have lower peak watts than another one, and end up out-bumping the other one with incredible bass.
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
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the facts, even though direct from Mitsu, can be lower than the real thing. It's like Rockford Fosgate subwoofers... The box may say 250 RMS Watts, but in fact be double that. May have lower peak watts than another one, and end up out-bumping the other one with incredible bass.
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
thank you sir I completely agree with everything you just typed.
the facts, even though direct from Mitsu, can be lower than the real thing. It's like Rockford Fosgate subwoofers... The box may say 250 RMS Watts, but in fact be double that. May have lower peak watts than another one, and end up out-bumping the other one with incredible bass.
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
EVO X <--> CALIBER SRT-4
Tdo5h turbo <--> Tdo4 turbo
2.0l gema <--> 2.4l gema
291hp 300ft tq <--> 285hp 265ft tq
wt. 3517/3594lbs <--> wt. 2966lbs
forged con rods <--> forged con rods
forged crank (cross drilled) <--> forged crank
iron sleeves <--> iron sleeves
aluminum pistons <--> aluminum (mahle) pistons
ladder structure <--> ladder structure
variable valve timing <--> variable valve timing
four bolt mains <--> four bolt mains
floating wrist pins <--> semi floating
So basically the engines are the same according to the facts give or take 1/2 liter and turbo size!
Tdo5h turbo <--> Tdo4 turbo
2.0l gema <--> 2.4l gema
291hp 300ft tq <--> 285hp 265ft tq
wt. 3517/3594lbs <--> wt. 2966lbs
forged con rods <--> forged con rods
forged crank (cross drilled) <--> forged crank
iron sleeves <--> iron sleeves
aluminum pistons <--> aluminum (mahle) pistons
ladder structure <--> ladder structure
variable valve timing <--> variable valve timing
four bolt mains <--> four bolt mains
floating wrist pins <--> semi floating
So basically the engines are the same according to the facts give or take 1/2 liter and turbo size!
Last edited by billyblonco; Nov 23, 2007 at 10:08 AM.
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Well, stock vs stock of course the IX may win. Who knows, someone may be able to outshift a .01 sec on a 1/4 mile. Everything right now is in the air. For the X, the frame and engine alone is lighter than the IX. It ends up gaining a whole lot of weight only because of all the add ons. So if you remove those fatty items, you'll end up with that light frame and light engine. So a completely stripped X may be lighter in the end compared to the IX, no?
Well, stock vs stock of course the IX may win. Who knows, someone may be able to outshift a .01 sec on a 1/4 mile. Everything right now is in the air. For the X, the frame and engine alone is lighter than the IX. It ends up gaining a whole lot of weight only because of all the add ons. So if you remove those fatty items, you'll end up with that light frame and light engine. So a completely stripped X may be lighter in the end compared to the IX, no?
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the facts, even though direct from Mitsu, can be lower than the real thing. It's like Rockford Fosgate subwoofers... The box may say 250 RMS Watts, but in fact be double that. May have lower peak watts than another one, and end up out-bumping the other one with incredible bass.
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
The X is everything put together as one, from everything everyone *****ed about what was lacking in the previous models. This has already been said by someone in this thread. I've read numerous, and heard numerous remarks and complaints about how the Evo, being an expensive car, has the ****tiest sound system, bad sound unit, cheap interior, etc... and the list goes on. All of this was put into the car, and now people are *****ing about it. Now its "Comfortable, ... WE DONT WANT COMFORTABLE" people people. we have to set our minds straight. We got what we wanted. Something fast. Great comforts. Appealing to the public. AND IT STILL PUSHES. I wont be surprised if someone ends up pulling the same time of a stock IX vs a stock X in a 1/4 mile time. It all depends on the drivers. Some drivers are incredible and can make a car that usually doesnt haul ***, haul ***. I'm all for the X now. I was very much on the IX train, but the X offers everything. Still good young look, but also nice enough for the older crowd to drive in so they dont get the looks from people of "ur still tryin to look young eh?" And i say that because I've heard it. It's still a very fast car for the price it is. And it's still a threat to many cars.
and im sure that anyone who is going to be racing it on 1/4 miles, they're going to end up stripping the car anyways of its *EXTRA ADDED WEIGHT + THE NORMAL WEIGHT*... thus... LESS WEIGHT = FASTER = how's it going back there IX?
And, are you one of those guys disputing the stated ratings? In the end, stated ratings to stated ratings, the Evo X only gained 5HP and 11 LB/FT vs the IX...and 254GSR/309MR LBS increased weight vs the IX. That minimal power increase isn't enough to offset the massive increase in weight to make the X perform like the IX does. And it's not all about acceleration...I know that...but, the X will not be as fast as the IX.
My guess is that the USDM IX will be faster than USDM X in all facets. We'll see when tests come out on the USDM X (no tests have been published as of yet...but if any have, please post them...I'm eager to see).