Brake jobs at bmw could go over a grand easy. Thats why they are overpriced

 

Yeah, $500 is assuming you can do the maintenance yourself.

 

I hear ya

 

Did you even bother to look at my link? Lets see, http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/quality-ratings , Acura got 3 out of 5 stars, BMW got 3, Infiniti got 4, Benz got 4, Lexus got 5, Jaguar got 4. Yeah, I really see Japanese dominance in quality Reality is that most companies have caught up with the Japs in terms of quality, the Japanese quality perception is still based on the 1990s when they really provided better products qualitywise, just like people still think that anything American made is junk when in fact quality of current American products has greatly increased. The Japanese lately are slacking of a bit but I blame that on them just growing in to too big off companies to really control the quality like they used to as opposed to smaller players.

 

did you look at my link where it says the german cars due well in performance but lack in reliability. What that link your showing me is quality, fit finish for the first 90 days. I'm talking reliability for the long run. Your trying to find somthing and finding nothing. A few people on this post agree's with me and I know a handful of people who always have problems with bmw's. Its also funny that once a bmw mech told me its best to lease than own, cause after 5 years repairs go out the roof. So much for being a leader. None the less bmw's are great cars to drive, I just won't own one That link I showed you is from this year and if you go back 15 years, its the same, honda and toyota are somewhere on top as far as reliability.

 

We are getting away from the topic and did not want this to be german vs japan. I have my fact and you have you opinion's, just let it go.
Long live the IX

 

I bet you are of Asian descent, aren't you? It's ok to be biased but it's time to face the reality, most car manufacturers have caught up to the Japanese in terms of short-term or long-term reliability. BMW is not perfect but Lexus isn't either, for every BMW problem I can find an equivalent Lexus complaint so it just goes to show that you either get a problem free car from the get go or once trouble starts the car will always be problematic. You have your own links and opinions and I have my links and opinions. But one fact you can not argue against is that BMW and Mercedes are the top pinnacle when it comes to perception of luxury cars and everyone just tries to follow them and gain the same prestige as them. I will say it again, you always see everyone compare Lexus to BMW and not the other way around, I think, right there, it means something.

And as far as your link goes, where is some data table to back up anything? All I see is a long article with random numbers, it also isn't specified whether it's a long term or short term test. And how can you do a long term test on the current BMW 335i when the car is what, a year out? And also you have to remember that Lexus is not the only Japanese luxury brand nor BMW is the only European luxury brand.

 

Racism at its finest. The weak minded always pull the race card when they have nothing intelligent left. What the hell does your assumption that he's "Asian" have anything to do with this discussion?

Oh, and just in case you're curious, I'm white

 

Racism at it's finest, did I asked you about your race? Did I say anything bad about being Asian? As far as Kobi is concerned, he is defending the Japanese reliability as it was the last thing to defend in this world and I know a lot of Asians and they are very nationalistic even thought they live in US. Is that a racist comment? I don't know, maybe. To me it's a personal observation, and I am not one of those people that are politically correct, I say the way I see it, if being politically correct is not being simple-minded then yeah I am simple minded I guess. As far as me not having anything intelligent left, I don't have to say anything, the provided links do all the talking, rest is just opinion as I haven't done any large scale car quality surveys so I am basing my opinion on provided links which show that Japanese are not really ahead of the pack when it comes to reliability, they have their own share of problems too. I have had 2 Mitsubishi vehicles in my life and none of them had any problems, just regular maintenance work. A friend of mine has a very problematic Acura, a car you would think would be more reliable than Mitsu but it's not I guess, also my father has a Dodge RAM pickup, on paper it also doesn't seem to be a reliable car but after 150K miles I would say it's doing fairly good.

 

Now your going in a diffrent direction now. We were not talking about luxury and who's on top of that. You will not get any arguement from me if you are talking which car has more class. Then agian it all comes down to taste. You are now taking this post elsewhere talking about data on the 335. Buddy, look on line for all the problems with sensors, overheating, burning oil, electrical,fuelpump and what ever else. Does everyone who owns a 335 have this prob? No But its enough to look at. I told you i'm finished with this post and i'll leave it alone.
As far as my race,, I'm far from asian and for you to ASSuME that is beyond me.
I guess your german then right

Ignorance is alive and well

 

So I was wrong about your race then, since everyone has so much tolerance here then why is everyone making a big deal about my race question? As far as me being German, not I am not but pretty close though and I do speak a bit of German

As far as looking up on 335i problems online, I am aware of it but then again, would you look what I also found: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/lexus.html Anyway, every fact can be twisted any way you want. Reality is that Toyota/Honda are very good at marketing their products, qualitywise they may be a bit better than the competition but the gap is not as wide as some people would like to believe.

 

^^^^you guys will let the rest of us know when this thread is back on topic, yes?

 

yeah, serious

 

sorry man

 

so anyways... I plan to keep my IX for a while, but even if i was looking in the market for a new car, i wouldn't be going crazy for the X. Like it has been said before, it is a totally new platform, and there may be some problems. Better to hold off. Someone else also said that the performance is also lacking, and i agree. Just my .02 cents