I dont want hear the rally 2.0 aspect, they dont compete any more. the X is a porky 3500+ lbs, at this point you need a little more displacement. I bet you will see this in the future. if the sti wasnt so fugly, it would sway alot of people.

 

they could still compete by offering 2 separate engines for the different markets. that would be a big pain in the *** though as far as r&d and blah blah and making a whole new motor... dunno if mitsu has the funds for that. if they'd step their engineering game up they could make a lot more reliable power out of the 2.0 platform.

 

1) People would be angry for not staying true to their roots, and producing a one-off, USDM engine. Everyone would be flaming them to death.
2) They do compete in Group-N, which has more entrants than WRC spec racing, and is based on actual examples of production cars (specifically, modified Evo RS's...the reason the RS exists), and they compete VERY well.

Edit: Here is a post with pics of an X Group-N race car:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=316418

 

1. subaru does it, well kinda, they already had 2.5's but the usdm sti motor is one off

 

I agree completely. Trying to get by on "what was" doesn't work. Sure they have a great Rally Heritage, but that was then. I really hate the "Rally" ad campaign. It is an insult to us that know the heritage and know that they bailed on the WRC. What better way to perform R&D and promote your product? Instead they rely on privateer R&D time & money. Dakar may be great for the rest of the world, but most people in America don't give a rat's a$$ about it, if they even know what it is! I can't even find it on any channels this year!

Look, I love my EVO but the overall legacy in America started with track, strip and Solo II, not Special Stages, Acropolis and Hill Climbs.

And now apparently the American Legacy is evolving to "Mom's getting groceries" faster. So fine, build a bigger motor for the bigger American consumer and be done with it.

 

Wow homie, you are just one of the million haters. I'm no expert and I'm certainly not saying I am right and you are wrong but, this is garbage. Mitsu said it themselves they need to move up the market for their best performance car. If you really gave a **** about Mitsu, you would understand they need this to build a stronger, more competative company. Give them a few more years and I guarantee they will have either the Evo, Eclipse, or some other car beefed up the way you like. They aren't making enough money off the Evo because seriouslly 36k+ for a car is a lot more than the average young gun can afford and lets face it, Evo is driven most by guys 18-25. After 25 people start having more serious relationships and **** like that so a "raw racer" feel just gets in your way unless you truely hit up the tracks enough for it to be worth it. So yea, Mitsu needs to show they can compete in some way with Euro sport cars that most of the time they are a complete sport/luxury combo. Once thats clear and done with, they WILL make a hardcore racer. Evo X is a bit heavier, quieter, more comfortable, more torque, more hp, claims to have better handling, a body that appeals to more people, and it's a test mule for models to come. There was an article on the forum about the SST's tunability. If the info is right, it will be able to be tuned so, by the time most our warranties are done, tuners will be ready. I admit I hate that it's heavier too but, the irony of this is I wanna add the technology package (im a gadget freak) and that just adds more weight lol... W/e I'm not a hardcore racer or street racer blah blah. I like to hit the tracks here and there for a few laughs and tear up the street when some **** cuts me off thinking he's hot ****. Other than that, I like to keep my girl friend comfortable and my family as well when they ride my car. (Comfortable, spacy but, In the back of my head I still know I can tear it up at will) Thats just something that you did not get off the other Evos. After every gear change I see my girl's neck break LOL its funny but it gets old. So again, Mitsu needs to hit a more mature audience to proove themselves and then will come your "hardcore racer". In the mean time just use your old Evo, fix it up, w/e and wait for the raw performance car to come. Which is has to if not Mitsu is going to die.


EDIT: About the motor being a 2.5... Lets just make it a V6 3.5? or a V10 6.0? Like they said above, if they make it a 2.5 other babies will complain about the heritage being lost. People are just never satisfied. In the end Mitsu is a company, they care what you think but, they got experts investigating what people actually want. (the majority). Also, yea they just don't have the money to play around like that, especially after remodeling the lancers... No matter what they are forced to make this model work and improve it throughout the years if not they gonna be between a rock and a hard place. Those who already got evo 8-9 just chill out and wait. I'm sure Mitsu will make money off this and the next or the evo after the next will be THE ****. If not, they will make another sport car. I heard something about a concept turbo eclipse in this forums. Maybe that will be their raw racer coupe and evo will be their euro competition car? Or maybe that evo x hatch i hear about a while back will be their beefed up sport car? JUST WAIT and stop crying. Evo X truely is not a bad car. Just a little heavier. How about you loose a few pounds to ballance it up since you all so into weight?

 

klipsch0 FTW

 

The STi id distributed world-wide with the 2.5L in all of their stock cars.....yet they still compete in rally competition.

The Evo X has gone against all the other rules they had stuck to for 9 generations....

I agree. They should have upped the displacement. Maybe not 2.5L, but anything more than 2.0L

 

If we could all afford it for our VIII or IX, we would all buy a 2.3L block from AMS. But, most of us can't afford that engine, so we stick with the 2.0L. The extra displacement makes a world of difference in all types of daily driving and racing.

Mitsu didn't have to spend any additional money to have put a 2.4L in the car. As part of the Hyundai/Dodge/Mitsu team that developed the "world" engine from which the 4B11T is derived, they also created a 2.4L block (used in the new SRT4). Mitsu could use that block and design their own head, pistons, etc for it. That's what they did when they designed the 4B11T...they took the same 2.0L block that Hyundai and Dodge have access to, put a turbo on it, built their own head, etc and tuned it themselves. They could have offered the Evo X from the get go with the 2.4L and the extra oomph all of us are looking for in this car, but they chose to go with the 2.0L and make the car underpowered. I guess this 2.4L engine is definitely not out of the question for future Evo XI or XII...at least IMHO.

And, all the talk about needing to stay close to their "rally" roots is hogwash. The X is the furthest away from a rally car than any other generation of Evo. If they've already walked that far away, why not go the extra mile and put an engine in the car that would give it the performance it deserves?

 

Mitsu is simply stupid! just it.

2.3 or 2.4 would be amazing, no need to spend with a stroker, but Mitsu prefers to stick with a 2.0l and add weight, wtf????

 

Double post.

 

The WRC class cars, technically the A8 class, have very little to do with the car you see on the show room. The main difference in the WRC cars v.s. GrN cars is the flexibility the manufacturers have with redesigning components, so you end up with rose-jointed suspension, $20K titanium spindles, $100K body shells, $75K hand built hydraulically actuated transmissions, butt-loads of suspension travel and the uber expensive CV joints that can operate reliably at those angles, etc... in a nutshell, they're race cars. If you want to educate yourself about what goes into a WRC car, I recommend downloading "Engineering The World Rally" which is available from just about any bittorrent site.

Contrary to what you say, privateers don't develop anything. Parts have to be homologated to be bolted to a rally car. Since Mitsubishi isn't a M1/M2 manufacturer, they can't homologate new parts for the WRC05, so it hasn't changed since Mitubishi had a factory effort.

The Production class, commonly called GrN, but technically the class the Evo races in is N4 -- that rule book is very restrictive. Download it from http://www.fia.com/, you'll see how little of the important parts can be changed. So if Mitsubishi wants to improve their rally car, it starts with improving their street car that they will homologate. In this way FIA production class rally has a high-degree of technology transfer from racing to production, much like the GrA cars did when the WRC was really just GrN+. This is the heritage of the Evo, and the reason it continues to evolve. Just look at those shots of the new Evo X GrN car -- look how the front suspension upright is tucked up tight to the firewall in the X taking advantage of the strength of the main tub of the shell, notice how there's no plating on the tower, it's apparently strong enough not to need it -- that's evolution.


The reason the Evo is so good as it stands now, and will stand in the Evo X, is because of Mitsubishi's involvement in FIA rally. Since it's production class, there's outside forces that are going to shape the car that gets homologated, so unfortunately the Evo keeps getting bigger due to pretty much every car getting bigger, it gains weight due to safety regulations, etc... Look at the curb weight on the JDM Evo X especially the X RS, it's pretty good, so you have U.S. safety regulations to thank for the portly USDM Evo X.

 

BLAME USA NOT MITSU! lol yea ur right wheelgap.

it makes sense, if ur a company and u wanna make a sport car, you wanna go as far as you can while keeping the price reasonable. im sure mitsu did this but all the regulations just get in their way.

 

It doesn't cost anything to increase displacement. Maybe a few dollars for more raw materials.

As far as US regulations are concerned. That is THE reason Subaru increased displacement. It helped with their emissions because they had to cheat to get the power output they needed.

 

i think it would make more sense and be cheaper if they just put a non turbo 6 cylinder in it like the r34 skyline... a straight 6 would be awesome...then people could turbo it or whatever if they wanted to....i dunno...turbo 4...or 6....same hp pretty much