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Spoiler on X: for looks or function?

Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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Spoiler on X: for looks or function?

For the previous EVO's there was data out there that the spoiler was actually functional and added down force at triple digit speeds.

On the X, I have not seen any data on spoiler down force (yet). They are apparently going to be selling the car spoiler-less, with a medium "regular lancer"spoiler or a taller EVO spoiler. These spoilers do not appear to have a wing type shape however and I have not seen any wing down force data either or any mention about the wing and down force in any of the article reviews so far.

This leads me to ask the question, is the wing on the X just for looks adding extra weight & drag as opposed to being a handling asset for high speeds down force?
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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From: http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/p...etail1682.html

The oversize rear spoiler — standard on the GSR — uses a twisted-section wing panel with different attack angles at its ends and in the center portion to match the airflow over the body surface.
Sure makes it sound functional.
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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I wouldnt mind having mine wingless myself. I think it looks way better xnay the wing IMO
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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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Thanks WheelGap! I missed that publication.

Are there any actual down force numbers out there for the EVO & regular lancer wings?

Just for reference & comparison, I found this info on the previous spoilers:

The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII features a PMI foam-filled carbon fiber rear spoiler,
produced via resin transfer molding (RTM). According to Mitsubishi, the new spoiler is
about 2 kg (4.4 lb) lighter than the previous ABS spoiler and generates 1.7 times more
downforce. The horizontal airfoil is also 60 percent slimmer than the ABS version

from http://www.quickstep.com.au/files/do...tive_Parts.pdf

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Old Jan 11, 2008 | 12:57 PM
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For 99.9% of lawful street driving the spoiler is pointless.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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bump to see if anyone has come across any data on exactly how functional the wing is yet...

And please folks, lets try to keep at least one thread on topic....thanks in advance.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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A bit of both.

I agreed that for normal driving, the spoiler is pretty pointless, & a bit of obstruction to the rear view (no biggie though).

The new spoiler is now ABS (or some plastic material), & feel very cheap.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO X Owner-2-B
For 99.9% of lawful street driving the spoiler is pointless.
Exactly.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO X Owner-2-B
For 99.9% of lawful street driving the spoiler is pointless.
A higher percentage of Evo owners (relative to the 'average' car) will use the car on a road course. I'm sure the wing helped me a little when I got the *** out at ~110mph at Streets of Willow.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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The X is going to look good wingless
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 07:19 AM
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Come on guys... can we all agree that wing function on street is negligible and drop that subject already in this thread. Please create your own thread if you want to talk about that.

If you really need justification for my question, assume it is for track driving. I'm looking for data to know how effective in terms of down force at a given speed or relative to previous EVO's wings the X wing is.

Thanks.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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I am under the impresstion that the Evo, both the ix and x have spoilers and not wings. A wings primary function is to create lift/downforce. A spoilers primary function to help maintatin streamline flow and preseve the trailing Kutta condition as the air flows off the roof, detaches from laminar boundary layer, and falls of the car. Although any given amount of area at the proper angle of attack and speed will create at lifting/downward force, this is not the main focus of the Evos rear spoiler.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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technicalities.....
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AkYap
I am under the impresstion that the Evo, both the ix and x have spoilers and not wings. A wings primary function is to create lift/downforce. A spoilers primary function to help maintatin streamline flow and preseve the trailing Kutta condition as the air flows off the roof, detaches from laminar boundary layer, and falls of the car. Although any given amount of area at the proper angle of attack and speed will create at lifting/downward force, this is not the main focus of the Evos rear spoiler.
Umm and why would you say that the Evo 8-9, etc "wing" or "spoiler" or whatever term u want to use does not create downforce? Thats a silly statement
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Interesting point AkYap. Do you know if there is a measure for comparing streamline flow (like Lbs for down force) that we can use for comparisons to determine its effect (ie, EVO X with and without spoiler for example).... I guess the flow should impact the drag coefficient - right?
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