OUCH!!! THATS ALOT......

 

just move

 

Pssj, In Norway you have to pay 149 000$ for a Evo IX. And thats no bull..

 

It's funny that you mention anti-collusion laws, because ya, we do have them just like the states. And there is also 3 class action lawsuits I know of occurring on either side of the border that names the major auto companies as defendants. Here is one example, http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/2007...ar_makers.html.

And to respond to your comment regarding the yen exchange rate, if you looked at any historical data you would find that the CAD had a more favorable exchange rate than the USD from about october up until a few weeks ago.

Then I can get into your idea about the average hourly Canadian wage VS. the average hourly American wage. First off, anyone with a minimal education in the field of statistics would know that the average is a poor representation of the majority and that the median is a much better measure. Secondly, the difference between the Canadian and American wages do not justify a $10k difference in pricing for an evo.

The place I am willing to agree with you is on the size of the Canadian market. It is true that we will only sell a fraction of cars compared to the USA, however, this does not completely explain the significant differences in pricing. Right now, Canadian divisions of auto companies are in financial trouble, the vast majority of Candians has caught on to the fact that they are being ripped off and have decided to A. make car purchases elsewhere, or B. just not buy new cars at all. If pricing doesn't change things are only going to get worse, for the auto companies and the economy as a whole.

If you think capitalism and the free market theory are 100% efficient, you are dillusional. Many current prices found in Canada are perfect examples of what I mean.

 

good post. My cousins in toronto haven't bought a new car because of all of this.

 

damn thats so not fair for us

 

"If you think capitalism and the free market theory are 100% efficient, you are dillusional. Many current prices found in Canada are perfect examples of what I mean."

I never said that capitalism is 100% efficient. No system that mankind can ever conceive of will be efficient, but of all the economic systems that have existed, the one that produced the most prosperity for all of its citizens was, is and will always be capitalism. Does that mean everyone will find prosperity? No, but capitalism allows people to pursue their economic goals with the least hindrance. Now what that means is left to the individual, as it should be.

In other words, if you think pricing under a capitalist model is bad, just think of what you would have to contend with if prices were fixed under a socialist model. Price fixing has never worked. If you don't think so, all you need to do is look no further than your healthcare system, or even the Oil Crisis here in the US during the 70s.

I was correct in choosing which wages to compare. I'm not doing a wage analysis for a group of individuals; I was simply comparing the average Canadian to American wage. Also, I agree that the $10,000 difference between your cars is something of a problem. However, there are other factors that go into the price of that car other than some company exercising a level of greed for the car.

And one more point. It appears that the US to Yen rate was a bit stronger than the Canadian to Yen rate for the past year. I got my info from moneycentral.msn.com, if you want to look at the historical graphs.

 

I'm not going to argue with you about whether capitalism is the best economic system, in fact I never said it wasn't. All I stated was that it has many shortcomings. And I agree, all economic systems do.

And I disagree with you on the idea that price fixing never works, OPEC has done a hell of a job keeping the price of oil high for the past couple decades, just as one example.

As for your comparison between average Canadian and American wages, the mean is simply a tool, used to analyze a group of individuals. So to say that you were not analyzing a group of individuals is completely false. All a statistical population is, is a group of individuals.

Finally, I believe that your graph reading capabilities are sub par, considering that the CAD was beyond a doubt higher than the USD in the last year. Using your source, moneycentral.msn.com, the graphs clearly state that the CAD/JPY was clearly higher than the USD/JPY, starting in the week of 10/1/2007 and lasting until the week of 1/7/2008. This is from your source:

USD to JPY
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...&DisplayForm=1

CAD to JPY
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...&DisplayForm=1

 

Because you get free healthcare, while we have to pay for ours...it evens out.

 

BAHAHAHAHA.... Free healthcare? I don't know what your definition of free is, but it was just released that the majority of individuals who fall into the low income category, pay 31% in taxes. If you honestly think our healthcare is free than that is fine, you can go on believing that, but the truth of the matter is that the majority pays for the minorities health care. Not everyone accesses the healthcare system on a regular basis but everyone pays for it on a regular basis. And not only do we pay taxes into, most provinces also have fees that they have to pay. To add on to this, are healthcare is horrendous! Waiting lists are at alltime highs, emergency rooms are packed with wait times upwards of 16 hours, doctors salaries are so low in comparison to everywhere else that all the decent was are packing up and leaving. And these problems are just to name a very select few. Free healthcare? Nope, more like crappy healthcare, with the costs hidden from the people.

Now heres my question to you. How does having a "government funded" (note: this does not mean free) healthcare system even out the fact that our cars are significantly more expensive than yours?

 

all i said is that manufacturers are starting to adjust their pricing in canada due to US Dollar going down the drains, i dont know exactly who, when and hhow much, otherwise i would be winning the lottery next week

here is one article i read

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...nadian+pricing

 

I was kidding....lol. I remembering looking at information on different healthcare systems from different countries, a while back in school. I work in the health field, so my access is technically free....self-treat FTW.

 

"And I disagree with you on the idea that price fixing never works, OPEC has done a hell of a job keeping the price of oil high for the past couple decades, just as one example."

No, OPEC hasn't done a good job of keeping the price of oil high. The price of oil is high because of many factors: shortened production on the part of OPEC countries, economic and political instability in many oil producing states, global demand, etc. Except for the first, OPEC has no control over these factors and these are what are influencing the price of oil.

"As for your comparison between average Canadian and American wages, the mean is simply a tool, used to analyze a group of individuals. So to say that you were not analyzing a group of individuals is completely false. All a statistical population is, is a group of individuals."

I mentioned before I was only pointing out was an AVERAGE. An AVERAGE across several industries, not a mean of looking at one group. Do you honestly think that in both countries, all individuals are making anywhere near the average? In fact, when I looked at the averages, I looked at the averages for 15 years and over Canadian worker wages and for America I used total private workers. These numbers are not broken down beyond that.

Finally, in regards to the graphs, if you look at the graph for the week starting 01/22/07 1 Canadian Dollar purchased 103 Yen and for 1 US Dollar purchase 121 Yen. If anything the Canadian Dollar was strengthening and US Dollar was weakening against the Yen, respectively. But I digress on this point, since exchange rates are not playing that big of a role in the pricing of the Evo.

"all i said is that manufacturers are starting to adjust their pricing in canada due to US Dollar going down the drains, i dont know exactly who, when and hhow much, otherwise i would be winning the lottery next week"

The US Dollar going down the drain won't have any impact on the price of a Canadian Evo, since the Evo is imported from Japan directly.

 

maybe because the canadian dollar is worth less than the usd lol hm...

 

At this point I am just going to stop arguing with you. The reality is, you have brought few if any relevant points forth. And even more disgruntling is the fact that you have brought up no evidence to support your claims. It appears to me that you have no global perspective, and continue to argue on a basis that is completely irrelevant to the current topic.