Is EVO evolving fast enough?

Just for reference and comparison, I will list out most of the performance oriented/powerful production cars back in 1992 that were probably available where EVO I was around (mostly in Japan) and you can compare:

Audi C4 S4, BMW E36 M3 (3.0l 286hp), BMW E34 M5, Chevrolet Camaro (3rd gen, like IROC), Chevrolet Corvette C4 (300hp), Dodge Viper, Ferrari 348 (all trims), Ferrari 512TR, Ford Mustang 5.0, Honda NSX C30A, Lamborghini Diablo, Lotus Espirit, Mazda RX-7 (FD), Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16, Mercedes-Benz W129 600SL (changed to SL600 later), Mercedes-Benz W140 600SEL/600SEC, Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT), Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, Nissan Silvia S13 / 180SX, Pontiac Firebird (3rd gen), Porsche 911 (964, including Turbo), Porsche 928, Porsche 968, Subaru WRX STi, Toyota MR2 SW20, Toyota Supra (Mk III)

I didn't include supercars like XJ220 and EB110, but if we do include them, the result would be even worse for EVO X vs 2008.

 

evo 10 will evolve when the sale ramps up by the end of year

 

As given, that list does not mean much to me. Add prices and there will be more to discuss.

 

Price won't really matter because this is how EVO I does vs 1992 compared to EVO X vs cars in 2008, and most cars still maintain similar price ratio for their 2008 counter parts (for example, EVO I costed about mid 20k usd, now it costs about 35k usd, 964 Carrera costed about 60k, 997 Carrera costs about 80k)

Also think of how economy cars did back then as well, such as Accord V6 back then, and Accord V6 now.

 

WTF are you babbling about. That concept is the most absurd reference ive read in a long time.

 

I think what you meant to say is to compare the Evo I and EVO X and see what the differences are.

 

the evo 1 had more liter / hp number, then the Ferrari F355 , wich is amazing if you think about it.
but also back then they build the race car and detuned it for sale , not the other way around /2008/.

 

Ugh, sorry I'm having difficulty trying to convey the discussion I want to have.


So basically

EVO X against C6 Z06, 911 Turbo/GT3/GT2, Boxster S/Cayman S, Viper, GT-R, 599 GTB, F430, Gallardo, Mucielago LP 640, RS4, C63/CLK63/E63, SL65/CL65/S65, M3 E92, M5 E60/M6, Elise/Exige, WRX STi, Continental GT, Vanquish S, RX-8, S2000, 350Z, GTI R32, Mustang, Civic Type-R, etc etc


VS


EVO I against Audi C4 S4, BMW E36 M3 (3.0l 286hp), BMW E34 M5, Chevrolet Camaro (3rd gen, like IROC), Chevrolet Corvette C4 (300hp), Dodge Viper, Ferrari 348 (all trims), Ferrari 512TR, Ford Mustang 5.0, Honda NSX C30A, Lamborghini Diablo, Lotus Espirit, Mazda RX-7 (FD), Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16, Mercedes-Benz W129 600SL (changed to SL600 later), Mercedes-Benz W140 600SEL/600SEC, Mitsubishi GTO (3000GT), Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, Nissan Silvia S13 / 180SX, Pontiac Firebird (3rd gen), Porsche 911 (964, including Turbo), Porsche 928, Porsche 968, Subaru WRX STi, Toyota MR2 SW20, Toyota Supra (Mk III)



So my verdict is that the EVO's performance against cars of its time has deteriorated significantly past 16 years.

 

Amazing is not quite the word I would have used. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that what you wrote is not what you meant.

 

There are a couple issues that will always enable supercars o gai more ground than liveable cars:

First is obviously cost. Supercars have more money spent on R&D and are not nearly as limited in sale price. Reasonably priced cars have constantly escalating build cost without the ability to up the price dramatically every generation. Not to mention that world market cars have to deal with currency exchange rates.

If you look at the cars mentiond that have made large progress, the price has progressed heavily as well. The M3 for example is quite expensive now.

Second is looking at progress in a different way. Obviously the evo has progressed in performance as a 10 would put a pretty bad hurting on a I. But more than that, drive both, and the there is a word of difference in the overal car.

The only area of the vehicle that I do not think has progressed enough is power. I would like to see a bit more power stock. Maybe something in the mid 300 range

 

yes but i think the engine has every year more potential. So if somebody dont care hp, the aprox 290 is enough for them. If you are a tuner ,then the evo is really evolved year by year.

 

Completely agree that the engine has evolved. Wouldn't hurt to see an FQ version here.

 

i think the Buschur guys got the good idea too. BR350 or BR 360 would be the perfect DD.
But what i dont get, why the AMS dont come out with a simular line. That would be amazing not like in UK only FQ. actually you could have two choice AMS package from the dealer or the Buschur one...

i think it would be awsome like 340 - 360 . whp but the major thing would be the trim . wich would be a weight reduction stages. how about that. like BR 340 with WR2 / weight reduction stage 2. -200lbs/

i would love this type of cars... no hassle etc. Just pay and drive what you want, from dealer.
Sweet dreams.

 

I agree that EVO has improved in pretty much every category since EVO I, but what I'm trying to compare is EVO's improvement vs other cars improvement.

Yes I agree with CharlesJ, so the result is that EVO I RS with some mods would probably have kept up with supercars of its time on track, such as XJ220, EB110, F40 etc. But it would need some serious mods for EVO X RS to keep up with Caparo T1, FXX/FXX 2.0, CCX-R etc on road course.

So lets look at the other end of the spectrum, one of the most mass produced, non-performance car:

Let's take a look at Camry for example, a car where performance would be one of the last features people would look at when buying. I'm sure if a 1992 Camry V6 lapped 2:00 on a certain track, the new one would probably do somewhere in 1:30 range. I'm sure you won't see that kind of difference from EVO I vs EVO X. Same story for 1/4 mile.

 

my head hurts.