I took this to mean you were no longer supporting the X:
Maybe I should read properly next time?

Looking forward to your new products.

 

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Good point! I will clarify my OP and make a change. I can TOTALLY understand now how you came away with that conclusion! Thanks again!

 

Personally and publicly, the budget should be reasonable, as is the HP levels. Something ANYONE can do. While 1000HP is cool, its not something that is reasonable. 400WHP is reasonable, and very doable so expect something in that range. Plus with the EVO at a disadvantage in the land of displacement, we need a cap on the massive power the STI will be putting down
That was a good one....

 

Sorry if this sounds wrong, but I would think on a budget scale, shouldn't the STi have the advantage? The Sti engine is the same as it was the previous few years, right? So there are already tons of parts for it. Because of this, wouldn't the parts cost less for the Sti?

Please correct me if my head isn't where it should be.

 

If you need help working on the car until 3am, you know who to call

 

OH BOY! Here we go! Trash talking already! This is going to be GOOD!

 

WE will take everything into consideration. I need to rush through the break in mileage so we can see where we are at. Jeff has already benchmarked his car. He and I were unable to meet today about budget, etc. (Jeff in order to get out of the meeting, nearly sliced his thumb off with a utility knife! Seriously though, he is going to be ok, and he appears to have missed any nerve damage. We wish him a Quick recovery, or I am REALLY going to kick his a** in this project!)

 

NICE!Are you going be helping ME or the underdog Jeff?

 

Well, I have an 04 STi, and the motor is basically the same as the 08. I put my money on the EVO hands down. The EVO just has a better motor design. While it may have a displacement disadvantage, the heads will almost definitely flow better than the STi's, since the 4g63's heads did, and from the looks of things so far the 4b11 heads flow even better than the 4g63's did. The motor is built for higher boost than the sti is, and that's where both of these cars are going to be making their power from as they get upgraded. Plus, the mod for mod the evo makes WAY MORE POWER than the STi. I have an intake, catless TBE, EBCS, and an access port with a custom tune, and the car only makes about 60 hp over stock. I went from 220 to 280 at the wheels on a dyno dynamics dyno. If you look at the results from AMS, Turbo Trix, and AGP so far, the 4b11 makes between 80 and 100 hp over stock with roughly the same parts and no ecu tuning. Once reflash software is out, it's only going to further destroy the STi. I will say this though, the STi is a great car, and I have loved mine, but it just can't compete with the evo. Even in stock form, Road and Track, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Automobile magazine, and Edmunds all gave the same verdict: the evo in first place and the sti in 2nd. That just about says it all. Let the battle begin!

 

Good point!

I know, i listen to EVERYTHING Edmunds says...............
Yup, the tests they have done show pretty good gains from just bolt ons. What will be good to see is the 2 different cars on the same dyno. But mod for mod will be tuff as past test have shown intake and exhaust to net the same overall power between the cars. Where AMS and others are getting more power is with a boost controller. In the Subaru world no one does the boost controller with out engine managment. This is because of some part throttle boost issues. So until we can flash the EVO this might be something we do to keep things the same. But i hear the AP is only a couple months away or so. Who knows, as "rules" are established, we will let you know. We want to keep it as fair as possible. In the end, both car can make the same HP. But the STI should win in the Tq numbers. But the EVO might have a little more usable power at higher RPM. So it might come down to area under the curve. STI more low end grunt, EVO more top end power. Who knows, but it will be fun to play with a new engine!

 

Geez, I like ya both, so umm, who ever calls first Though I am definitely more useful around the Evo then the Subbie.

One thing is for sure though. If the competition includes points for time to install, the Evo is going to take an advantage in that area. I bet we could get a new turbo and cams in before getting just a turbo in on the Subbie motor.

 

Immediately after the stock vs. stock baseline race, I would love to see what difference simply adding a stiffer rear sway bar on the STI would make. All the magazine reviews have stated how the STI understeers like crazy, so the driver has to force it into a corner. My WRX was the exact same way when it was stock. But, a very inexpensive rear sway bar (even without the upgraded links) would obviously make the car far more neutral.

Every time I see another review where the X is faster around a track, I wonder what effect that single upgrade would have.

Can't wait to see what you guys come up with. Two totally different upgrade paths, for sure.

 

Yeah, track attack events are going to be really interesting in this competition.

 

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