Few Things About Mitsu (Including X)
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Few Things About Mitsu (Including X)
THIS IS NOT A HATE OR FLME THREAD. PLEASE, BE MATURE ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT ACCORDINGLY.
I been doing research since before October 1st when it was launched in Japan. Plus, I own a 04 Ralliart for 4 years so, I've had a first hand experience with a Mitsubishi.
Lets start with durability. My Ralliart hasn't given me a single problem and has never broken. Only thing I changed on it was the battery cause it was time after 4 years. Of course, oil, filters, tired and other fluids were changed, duh.
But, here's where the problems start. After 4 years, the interior is beginning to loosen up and the colors are fading. Since it's a cheap leather plastic, all the women who have gone into my car are definately not impressed. I personaly never gave a **** untill now. My arm rest's leather is loose and fading. The top of the dash board is somewhat loosing it's color too as well as the steering wheel. Also, the speakers are getting annoying with a little rattle. I know after 4 years this is somewhat normal in a car for that price but, I know the Evo 8 and 9 got the same interior basically and that's a well over 30k car. So, that's really putting me down because the X also has the same cheap wanna be leather on the dash and it will probly fade within 4 years as well.
Another problem I had is the paint. After about 3 years, my Poenix Red Ralliart was looking like a Barbie Mobile because it was turning pink on the hood, roof, and trunk. Oh, and the spoiler.... The spoiler was almost white. I take good care of my car so I was going crazy, I couldn't understand why this was happening. I called Mitsu and they said all their 04 models had a problem with the paint job. So, they re-painted it (under warranty). Problem is, I hear the X got just as bad a paint job as the one on my Ralliart and if this is the case on the MR, which will cost well over 40k fully loaded... That's just like a slap in the face and a kick in the *****.
Only reason I even consider an X after all this is because for it's price range, it's probly the most potential sport sedan out there. Big A+ on the computer and handling and all that. But seriouslly, why drag the same stupid little issues over and over through all the models over the years. I'm sure it's not that hard and really shouldn't be too expensive for them to fix it.
Furthermore, now that I think about it, the SST is suppoused to be the reason for the main delay fo the MR. Once they release it, I bet we got a 90% chance of it giving us problems within the first 5 months of driving one.
Anyways, the GSR already giving people problems in stalling, making noises and a bunch of other stuff. Seriouslly, come on... 32k+ car with so many problems right away. It seems Mitsu had a trick up their sleeves. They made the ultimate handling machine and they push that onto the market with everything they got. I mean they really sell it's handling and advanced computer system. Then, when they release it people go crazy buying them only to realize they bought a handling box because everything else in the car is no where near the level of a 32k+ car. As far as I know, Subaru got the same issue but, they put more effort into their car as a whole. Too bad it's ugly as hell.
Anyways, let me hear your opinons and thoughts on this. This isn't a hate thread because I'm still buying it. Just want to get the word out and hear what others have to say.
Thanks for the time.
I been doing research since before October 1st when it was launched in Japan. Plus, I own a 04 Ralliart for 4 years so, I've had a first hand experience with a Mitsubishi.
Lets start with durability. My Ralliart hasn't given me a single problem and has never broken. Only thing I changed on it was the battery cause it was time after 4 years. Of course, oil, filters, tired and other fluids were changed, duh.
But, here's where the problems start. After 4 years, the interior is beginning to loosen up and the colors are fading. Since it's a cheap leather plastic, all the women who have gone into my car are definately not impressed. I personaly never gave a **** untill now. My arm rest's leather is loose and fading. The top of the dash board is somewhat loosing it's color too as well as the steering wheel. Also, the speakers are getting annoying with a little rattle. I know after 4 years this is somewhat normal in a car for that price but, I know the Evo 8 and 9 got the same interior basically and that's a well over 30k car. So, that's really putting me down because the X also has the same cheap wanna be leather on the dash and it will probly fade within 4 years as well.
Another problem I had is the paint. After about 3 years, my Poenix Red Ralliart was looking like a Barbie Mobile because it was turning pink on the hood, roof, and trunk. Oh, and the spoiler.... The spoiler was almost white. I take good care of my car so I was going crazy, I couldn't understand why this was happening. I called Mitsu and they said all their 04 models had a problem with the paint job. So, they re-painted it (under warranty). Problem is, I hear the X got just as bad a paint job as the one on my Ralliart and if this is the case on the MR, which will cost well over 40k fully loaded... That's just like a slap in the face and a kick in the *****.
Only reason I even consider an X after all this is because for it's price range, it's probly the most potential sport sedan out there. Big A+ on the computer and handling and all that. But seriouslly, why drag the same stupid little issues over and over through all the models over the years. I'm sure it's not that hard and really shouldn't be too expensive for them to fix it.
Furthermore, now that I think about it, the SST is suppoused to be the reason for the main delay fo the MR. Once they release it, I bet we got a 90% chance of it giving us problems within the first 5 months of driving one.
Anyways, the GSR already giving people problems in stalling, making noises and a bunch of other stuff. Seriouslly, come on... 32k+ car with so many problems right away. It seems Mitsu had a trick up their sleeves. They made the ultimate handling machine and they push that onto the market with everything they got. I mean they really sell it's handling and advanced computer system. Then, when they release it people go crazy buying them only to realize they bought a handling box because everything else in the car is no where near the level of a 32k+ car. As far as I know, Subaru got the same issue but, they put more effort into their car as a whole. Too bad it's ugly as hell.
Anyways, let me hear your opinons and thoughts on this. This isn't a hate thread because I'm still buying it. Just want to get the word out and hear what others have to say.
Thanks for the time.
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It really all depends on what you had built in your head before coming into this. I, for one, was coming from a really nicely done 68 Chevrolet Camaro SS. No power steering, no power brakes, no A/C no electronic nothing, 6mpg, on a good day. But mad straightline power, just as quick as the Evo if not a touch faster. Then my true beater was some busted up 87 Dodge Daytona. It broke down once a week, leaked every fluid out there and then some, total junk pile. So for me, the X is quite possibly the coolest most BA thing Ive ever had. It turns, stops and has A/C and heat. I think the interior is really nice, compared to what I've been up against It gets 27mpg highway for me and the list goes on and on and on. Its an incredible car and I don't think the pricetag was asking too much. However, if youre one of the cult Evo Pre-X members I can also understand your dislike, whine whine whine the X is trash whine whine. I think all post 69 Camaro are junk, I understand the cult-approach to "new" things.
So basically I'm just saying the quality, price and enjoyment of the new X is dependant upon where you came from previously.
EDIT: And my GF has a 99 M3, and I think the Evo kills it in every way except perhaps leather seats, but the Evos are far more comfortable and my *** doesnt slide out of them on road-trips.
So basically I'm just saying the quality, price and enjoyment of the new X is dependant upon where you came from previously.
EDIT: And my GF has a 99 M3, and I think the Evo kills it in every way except perhaps leather seats, but the Evos are far more comfortable and my *** doesnt slide out of them on road-trips.
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It really all depends on what you had built in your head before coming into this. I, for one, was coming from a really nicely done 68 Chevrolet Camaro SS. No power steering, no power brakes, no A/C no electronic nothing, 6mpg, on a good day. But mad straightline power, just as quick as the Evo if not a touch faster. Then my true beater was some busted up 87 Dodge Daytona. It broke down once a week, leaked every fluid out there and then some, total junk pile. So for me, the X is quite possibly the coolest most BA thing Ive ever had. It turns, stops and has A/C and heat. I think the interior is really nice, compared to what I've been up against It gets 27mpg highway for me and the list goes on and on and on. Its an incredible car and I don't think the pricetag was asking too much. However, if youre one of the cult Evo Pre-X members I can also understand your dislike, whine whine whine the X is trash whine whine. I think all post 69 Camaro are junk, I understand the cult-approach to "new" things.
So basically I'm just saying the quality, price and enjoyment of the new X is dependant upon where you came from previously..
So basically I'm just saying the quality, price and enjoyment of the new X is dependant upon where you came from previously..
EDIT: And my GF has a 99 M3, and I think the Evo kills it in every way except perhaps leather seats, but the Evos are far more comfortable and my *** doesnt slide out of them on road-trips.
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klipsch you kinda missed my point I think. I wasnt making comparison as much as what a difference it is for some people. I'm a little brighter than to compare 2 things 40 years apart. I'm simply saying the evo is going to seem like a Ferrari to people who get one after they sell their Geo Metro. And likewise handle like an F1 car when youre coming from a legit muscle car. And would you not agree? Ask for opinions and opinions you shall recieve.
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If I had a dollar for every post like this, I could probably buy an second Evo X.
As far as the problems, every first year car has them. The first year Oldsmobile Aurora's fuel door swung too wide for clearance of the back door. The result of this was that if you had a passenger in the backseat who opened the door while you were filling up with gas, the door would literally rip the fuel door off its hinges and send it flying across the parking lot.
In the eighties, GM put Crossfire injected V8s in higher performance versions of third gen F bodies. The injector spray into the intake manifold was open, and they had a ram air scoop above it. Problem was, water could get in there too. I guess GM was thinking it might never rain. At any rate, several engines hydrolocked as a result.
More recently, the Mazda RX-8 had more engine failures than expected, and Mazda has done several things for the customers including warranty extension and multiple reflashes in attempt to rectify it.
On to the Evo X, there are problems, but Mitsubishi and the ownership base at large are working to rectify them:
1) The paint issue is not necessarily an issue with the paint itself, as a design where the car is shaped that allows the front wheels to spray rocks at the back sides of the car. There is no paint that can withstand this. The solution is to buy $5 DIY mudflaps, buy nice $200 mud flaps from the dealer, get the aero kit which blocks the rock spray, or get a nice film like the Xpel to protect the car.
2) The notchy transmission issue is a bit maddening. But I have owned cars with much worse transmissions. 4th and 5th generation Honda Preludes had thin shift forks that manifested in terrible 5th gear grinds and reverse lockout. It took several years for Honda to own up and put a TSB out on this. In my opinion, the notchy transmission is the only thing on the Evo X that I can really fault as a fairly major problem.
3) Jumpy low RPM and high rpm sputtering. I have never had the high RPM issue, and had the jumpiness twice in 5000 miles, each lasting no longer than 5 seconds. There is a reflash out for this now, so it is not a concern anymore.
4) My car has never stalled, never "made noises", not sure what you are talking about on the noises, but the stall is a part of #3 and is covered by the reflash. Again, not an issue now.
I don't know if you have looked recently, but $32k is about what most cars of any worth cost. For the Evo, its a flat out bargain. You can't expect BMW interior on a car that costs $32,000. You have to ask yourself, do you want a performance car, or do you want to be a dash molester AKA someone who needs a cushy interior. The BMW 135i costs only a bit more than the Evo X, but it it open differential RWD. The Evo has three differentials, all wheel drive, and Active Yaw Control. Think of the Evo as a $16000 car with $16000 worth of aftermarket modifications. If you want it all, you can get a BMW M3, high strung V8 with a great limited slip, amazing handling, and an interior that is out of this world, but be prepared to plunk down $60 large to get even a stripper model.
The old addage, you get what you pay for, applies here, but thanks to invoice pricing and dealers who are vendors on here, you are able to get more than you pay for with the Evo X.
The STI to me is no comparison. Its a boxer motor that has been prone to early failure in the past, it doesn't rev well, has miles of piping just to get to the turbo, uses a smaller and heat soak prone top mount intercooler, understeers terribly, but it has does have a bit nicer interior. I had a WRX, and I never will have another new Subaru again.
Red cars have always faded worse than other colors. Solution: Don't buy red.
Lastly, as far as what a girl thinks about your interior, etc, you are probably in the wrong car. People don't buy Evos for fancy interiors, they buy them because they offer a crap ton of performance.
As far as the problems, every first year car has them. The first year Oldsmobile Aurora's fuel door swung too wide for clearance of the back door. The result of this was that if you had a passenger in the backseat who opened the door while you were filling up with gas, the door would literally rip the fuel door off its hinges and send it flying across the parking lot.
In the eighties, GM put Crossfire injected V8s in higher performance versions of third gen F bodies. The injector spray into the intake manifold was open, and they had a ram air scoop above it. Problem was, water could get in there too. I guess GM was thinking it might never rain. At any rate, several engines hydrolocked as a result.
More recently, the Mazda RX-8 had more engine failures than expected, and Mazda has done several things for the customers including warranty extension and multiple reflashes in attempt to rectify it.
On to the Evo X, there are problems, but Mitsubishi and the ownership base at large are working to rectify them:
1) The paint issue is not necessarily an issue with the paint itself, as a design where the car is shaped that allows the front wheels to spray rocks at the back sides of the car. There is no paint that can withstand this. The solution is to buy $5 DIY mudflaps, buy nice $200 mud flaps from the dealer, get the aero kit which blocks the rock spray, or get a nice film like the Xpel to protect the car.
2) The notchy transmission issue is a bit maddening. But I have owned cars with much worse transmissions. 4th and 5th generation Honda Preludes had thin shift forks that manifested in terrible 5th gear grinds and reverse lockout. It took several years for Honda to own up and put a TSB out on this. In my opinion, the notchy transmission is the only thing on the Evo X that I can really fault as a fairly major problem.
3) Jumpy low RPM and high rpm sputtering. I have never had the high RPM issue, and had the jumpiness twice in 5000 miles, each lasting no longer than 5 seconds. There is a reflash out for this now, so it is not a concern anymore.
4) My car has never stalled, never "made noises", not sure what you are talking about on the noises, but the stall is a part of #3 and is covered by the reflash. Again, not an issue now.
I don't know if you have looked recently, but $32k is about what most cars of any worth cost. For the Evo, its a flat out bargain. You can't expect BMW interior on a car that costs $32,000. You have to ask yourself, do you want a performance car, or do you want to be a dash molester AKA someone who needs a cushy interior. The BMW 135i costs only a bit more than the Evo X, but it it open differential RWD. The Evo has three differentials, all wheel drive, and Active Yaw Control. Think of the Evo as a $16000 car with $16000 worth of aftermarket modifications. If you want it all, you can get a BMW M3, high strung V8 with a great limited slip, amazing handling, and an interior that is out of this world, but be prepared to plunk down $60 large to get even a stripper model.
The old addage, you get what you pay for, applies here, but thanks to invoice pricing and dealers who are vendors on here, you are able to get more than you pay for with the Evo X.
The STI to me is no comparison. Its a boxer motor that has been prone to early failure in the past, it doesn't rev well, has miles of piping just to get to the turbo, uses a smaller and heat soak prone top mount intercooler, understeers terribly, but it has does have a bit nicer interior. I had a WRX, and I never will have another new Subaru again.
Red cars have always faded worse than other colors. Solution: Don't buy red.
Lastly, as far as what a girl thinks about your interior, etc, you are probably in the wrong car. People don't buy Evos for fancy interiors, they buy them because they offer a crap ton of performance.
the evo was never really created for interior styling.. even the inventors at mitsu said there main comp for the evo x was the evo ix.. so it lacks in style it makes up in performance..
but i see you point and agree with it
but i see you point and agree with it
Come to think of it.. He probably already has these posts saved up on Word or something, simply anticipating somebody to make a post like this.. Then just pastes it down.. Cause, you see, these types of posts are pretty common here... Hahahaha.. I crack me up..
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The result of this was that if you had a passenger in the backseat who opened the door while you were filling up with gas, the door would literally rip the fuel door off its hinges and send it flying across the parking lot.