Reply to Mitsu sales being down by 26%
Dude the economy and gas prices do factor in, take a look at the foreclosures setting every where, how will people even finance a car after loosing a home, they can't! Mitsu is fine just we have to let this topic die, people will argue this until there's no end. Mitsu makes the only production truck in Japan, not to mention the same truck (Triton) makes up for over 40% of trucks being sold in the UK. Many things could be at play here, but remember the longer we keep these threads going, the more we'll push newcomers away! This will be my last post on these topics, LONG LIVE MITSUBISHI.
Dude the economy and gas prices do factor in, take a look at the foreclosures setting every where, how will people even finance a car after loosing a home, they can't! Mitsu is fine just we have to let this topic die, people will argue this until there's no end. Mitsu makes the only production truck in Japan, not to mention the same truck (Triton) makes up for over 40% of trucks being sold in the UK. Many things could be at play here, but remember the longer we keep these threads going, the more we'll push newcomers away! This will be my last post on these topics, LONG LIVE MITSUBISHI.
Ok I believe there is a lot of bad info in the other thread.
First thing- 364 sales of EVO is actually pretty good. Factoring in the fact that EVO sales are at their highest in the summer and fall. Mitsubishi is on pace to sale 5,000 to 5,500 EVO Xs which is just right about where I would have expected. Sales could even become higher with the introduction of the MR model. So it is possible as far as EVO X sales, this may be the best selling EVO model since the 2003 EVO VIII.
Second thing- Sales of cars such as the Lancer, Galant, and Eclipse are doing very well, it is the SUVs and Trucks such as the Endeavor, Outlander, and Raider, bringing down the sales.
Last thing- I am not 100% sure why the sales for the SUVs or Trucks are so down, it could be something we don't even know about. But please stop jumping to f*cken conclusions
I mean Mitsubishi sales from jan 07 to December 07 were way up, and then all of a sudden in jan 08 the sales are way down. That right there shows me something is different with the production of vehicles. My point is that the auto industry just doesn't work like that, you don't sale on average 3,000 vehicles a month and see sales continue to rise from month to month, and all of a sudden sales are off by 25% the next month. Only thing that explains this is a change in production, for instance if the production of the Raider and Endeavor slowed, there would be less of them to sell. I am not saying that is the reason, but to think people just don't want to buy Mitsubishis is f*cken stupid. Then explain why the sales of Lancers, Galants, and Eclipses continue to increase month to month.
First thing- 364 sales of EVO is actually pretty good. Factoring in the fact that EVO sales are at their highest in the summer and fall. Mitsubishi is on pace to sale 5,000 to 5,500 EVO Xs which is just right about where I would have expected. Sales could even become higher with the introduction of the MR model. So it is possible as far as EVO X sales, this may be the best selling EVO model since the 2003 EVO VIII.
Second thing- Sales of cars such as the Lancer, Galant, and Eclipse are doing very well, it is the SUVs and Trucks such as the Endeavor, Outlander, and Raider, bringing down the sales.
Last thing- I am not 100% sure why the sales for the SUVs or Trucks are so down, it could be something we don't even know about. But please stop jumping to f*cken conclusions
I mean Mitsubishi sales from jan 07 to December 07 were way up, and then all of a sudden in jan 08 the sales are way down. That right there shows me something is different with the production of vehicles. My point is that the auto industry just doesn't work like that, you don't sale on average 3,000 vehicles a month and see sales continue to rise from month to month, and all of a sudden sales are off by 25% the next month. Only thing that explains this is a change in production, for instance if the production of the Raider and Endeavor slowed, there would be less of them to sell. I am not saying that is the reason, but to think people just don't want to buy Mitsubishis is f*cken stupid. Then explain why the sales of Lancers, Galants, and Eclipses continue to increase month to month.
You have to stop drinking the Mitsu kool-aid
Here are the facts that will hopefully clear this up.
Mitsu US sales over the past few years:
2004 = 161,609
2005 = 123,995
2006 = 118,558
2007 = 128,993
During those years, some vehicles did much better than others:
1) The Lancer sold 41,706 units in 2004. For 2007 (with the new redesign) they still only sold 31,376 units. Not a good thing for a totally redesigned car that is much better than the old model.
2) The Eclipse has done extremely well after it's redesign. The old model sold only 12,012 in 2004 and in 2007 the new model sold 20,154.
3) The Galant sold 43,491 units in 2004 and a mere 26,491 in 2007.
4) The Outlander has done well since it's redesign. in 2006 it sold only 11,493 and in 2007 the new model sold 23,285.
5) The Endeavor has struggled mightily. 22,433 units in 2004 and a deadly 11,886 in 2007.
6) The Raider has grown in sales every year since being introduced.
So, history shows that sedan sales for Mitsu have been declining for the most part. One SUV has done quite well and one has been on the decline.
Back to April 2008. The entire auto industry in the US was down -6.8% and Mitsu was down -26.3%. Being 4 times worse than the industry is not very good.
If you take the first 4 months of 2008. The entire auto industry in the US was down -7.7% while Mitsu was down -17.7%. Once again, far outpacing the industry and going in the wrong direction.
Why is Mitsu falling at a rate much faster than the industry as a whole? Many other competing brands are doing just fine...for example:
Brand = April 2008 / 2008 YTD
Mitsu = -26.3% / -17.7% (both measures are right down at the bottom of the industry)
Hyundai & Kia = +6.5% / -4.1%
Mazda = +12.8% / +1.3%
Suzuki = +5.3% / -2.4%
Nissan = +6.7% / -1.3%
Toyota = +3.4% / -3.3%
Honda/Acura = +6.8% / +1.5%
Subaru = +21.7% / +1.6%
Finally, days supply is a critical factor in seeing the sale rate for a brand. Days supply is the number of days a car, on average, remains on a dealers lot before it is sold. A brand is healthy if their days supply is below 50. Current industry average for 2008 is 64 days. Mitsu is currently at 80 days. That's the 3rd worst days supply in the industry (behind Isuzu and VW/Audi). So, Mitsubishi dealerships, on average, have more cars in inventory on their lots than nearly every other brand. Nothing funky going on with production as you've suggested.
So, if other brands are doing OK (some increasing sales) and Mitsu is falling at a much faster rate than the industry...why are there any questions about Mitsu struggling? Consumers make their choices with their wallets...and Mitsu is becoming less and less a choice. Has been the trend for several years and will continue to be the trend until Mitsu comes out with better products and better service.
Let's stick to the facts instead of emotional craziness next time
Last edited by atombomb33; May 4, 2008 at 02:49 PM. Reason: fixed formatting
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/b...rs-april-2008/
Looks like a lot of companies haven't been doing so hot...
Looks like a lot of companies haven't been doing so hot...
Mitsu is struggling but i dont think they are going anywhere. They are turning around slightly but it will take some years before they are back up and running. They are no where near as bad as isuzu when they departed. It just take time and they made mistakes in late 90s to the begining of 2000s that set them back years. Or we could be talking about a bigger sales giant.
Dont be surprised if in 10 years they are back and healthy and partnered with another company to help with saving money and have more products.
They just need to bring over the Colt and trucks and the new electric car to help with Gas MPG average and for a more well rounded lineup.
Mitsu is selling more around the world now then the USA but it will slowly change if and when the economy gets better too.
Sorry for the long post.
Dont be surprised if in 10 years they are back and healthy and partnered with another company to help with saving money and have more products.
They just need to bring over the Colt and trucks and the new electric car to help with Gas MPG average and for a more well rounded lineup.
Mitsu is selling more around the world now then the USA but it will slowly change if and when the economy gets better too.
Sorry for the long post.
BURN! sorry but i see civics everywhere and i have not yet seen another evo x on the road other then mine
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