Car and Driver Lightning lap Test Falsified?
Honestly, I just give up. I've had it. Hold on to your two bits of information that make it seem like the X wasn't ran hard enough.
It's clear that your argument is fueled by the idea that the Evo X should never be outrun by this Cobalt.
I don't know what happened to everyone else in the thread, but they probably wised up and decided it wasn't worth the effort.
Yes, the Evo X should have ran two seconds faster. And yes, the Cobalt's time was lopped off by a good 3 seconds. I agree!
It's clear that your argument is fueled by the idea that the Evo X should never be outrun by this Cobalt.
I don't know what happened to everyone else in the thread, but they probably wised up and decided it wasn't worth the effort.
Yes, the Evo X should have ran two seconds faster. And yes, the Cobalt's time was lopped off by a good 3 seconds. I agree!
I think we lost here. The AWD system is designed to handle any conditions. That is why the Rally cars / as a EVO/ got one.
And for that they are superior compere to any other one.
you guys talking about the SS and the FWD like a good. But the fact is the worst set up from the 3 different type of drive.
The SS will under steer too, just like ANY FWD. Yes it does have less under steer then most of them , but still have it and more then the EVo.
For dry tarmac, smooth surface race, the RWD is a best.
The FWD , honestly dont know where is better then a RWD. SO i leave it that way.
Any other category goes for the AWD. Period.
Why they mimic the RWD ? Hm they dont mimic it they try to being balanced or neutral so they have to take away some Front biaesd attitude.
But dont think they try to over steer from certain point...
Its like , if you try to say, the RWD try be AWD because they try to make the car to do less over steer...
The goal is to being neutral in turns so you can decide what you want from the car in the turn.
And the Evo X is do it in a very impressive way.
So next time try to get the STI or other AWD car to being as an exaple. 
on the side note, not all the awd car understeer, some over steer depend on the AWD set up, just make sure you know that.
Like the Porsche AWD. wich is not 50/50.
And for that they are superior compere to any other one.
you guys talking about the SS and the FWD like a good. But the fact is the worst set up from the 3 different type of drive.
The SS will under steer too, just like ANY FWD. Yes it does have less under steer then most of them , but still have it and more then the EVo.
For dry tarmac, smooth surface race, the RWD is a best.
The FWD , honestly dont know where is better then a RWD. SO i leave it that way.
Any other category goes for the AWD. Period.
Why they mimic the RWD ? Hm they dont mimic it they try to being balanced or neutral so they have to take away some Front biaesd attitude.
But dont think they try to over steer from certain point...
Its like , if you try to say, the RWD try be AWD because they try to make the car to do less over steer...
The goal is to being neutral in turns so you can decide what you want from the car in the turn.
And the Evo X is do it in a very impressive way.
So next time try to get the STI or other AWD car to being as an exaple.
on the side note, not all the awd car understeer, some over steer depend on the AWD set up, just make sure you know that.
Like the Porsche AWD. wich is not 50/50.
FWD is not always bad. Look at the weight of the SS and compare it to the weight of the Evo, why do you think there is such a discrepancy? Part of it is due to the drivetrain, the transmission, diffs and axles are heavy.
FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces. This is why there are virtually no RWD rally cars, most are either FWD or AWD.
The best AWD systems in the world try to mimic the behaviour of RWD cars. Hell, a lot even go so far as acting like a RWD in terms of power delivery until things get slippery.
By the very way in which it works, AWD systems of all types are prone to understeer. Why? Because they force the front wheels to do double duty. Whenever you do this, you take away the front wheels ability to steer the car. Some cars have very nice systems to avoid this but it still rears its ugly head from time to time.
let me give you some info's...
I dont think the the MR should have run faster as you wanna hear it ,
open your mind and look around on that test , the SS is over rated period.
and yes the X MR runned faster the your precius IX MR , so what? should have been even faster , or not? Maybe just runned faster because the weather condition was better for it, or not? Do you actually understand how many ways you can actually "cheat on these tests?"
Only reason why i start to argue , because looks like , they dont even care anymore, if its obvious is something is not right.
By the way are you one of those test drivers? Because you are so sure its everything is oke with that test.
You are beyond blind, buddy. 
I dont think the the MR should have run faster as you wanna hear it ,
open your mind and look around on that test , the SS is over rated period.
and yes the X MR runned faster the your precius IX MR , so what? should have been even faster , or not? Maybe just runned faster because the weather condition was better for it, or not? Do you actually understand how many ways you can actually "cheat on these tests?"
Only reason why i start to argue , because looks like , they dont even care anymore, if its obvious is something is not right.
By the way are you one of those test drivers? Because you are so sure its everything is oke with that test.
You are beyond blind, buddy.
that is a question not a , a fact.
"Should have" is not fact in my dictionary. That is an opinion.
the fact is 0.88g's from the evo is not great. But the SS 89g's is great. Specially if you think the MR puls bigger G's on skid pad then a SS.
So the lower g number car, pull bigger g's in the track , mean time the Higher G's numbers car pulls lower...
And dont start the BS about, how suddenly the whole car attitude is changed when the speed goes up. I know that , but that is not that simple ,
If you think i'm wrong then how come your law of phisics not working on the AMG C63 ,Cadillac, GT-R , M3 etc?
So the better g holding car will still pull digger g's in the track then a slower ones. The skid pad is designed for a reason, and the law phisycs of that pad will not change, because the SS running on the track or the chevy is bankrupted.
you are so far the only one if you dont see that.
"Should have" is not fact in my dictionary. That is an opinion.
the fact is 0.88g's from the evo is not great. But the SS 89g's is great. Specially if you think the MR puls bigger G's on skid pad then a SS.
So the lower g number car, pull bigger g's in the track , mean time the Higher G's numbers car pulls lower...
And dont start the BS about, how suddenly the whole car attitude is changed when the speed goes up. I know that , but that is not that simple ,
If you think i'm wrong then how come your law of phisics not working on the AMG C63 ,Cadillac, GT-R , M3 etc?
So the better g holding car will still pull digger g's in the track then a slower ones. The skid pad is designed for a reason, and the law phisycs of that pad will not change, because the SS running on the track or the chevy is bankrupted.
you are so far the only one if you dont see that.
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Cobalt SS hit 8:22.x
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On the other hand...Get over it. SS is fast, and stock for stock it (at the least) gives any USDM Evo a good fight. If you are so butt-hurt, sell your Evo and buy an SS. My IX MR is plenty fast for me at the track, and frankly it is too fast through the corners for the street. That is all that matters to me.
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The Nürburgring-fettled suspension
, the sticky Continental summer tires 
, and the burly Brembo front calipers are assets to the cause 
, keeping the body stable, the corners alarmingly fast, and the decelerations sharp and fade-free. 
Although the Cobalt is hot stuff compared with its predecessor, it’s still not state of the subcompact art. There’s work to be done bringing the plain interior up to GM’s improving standards, to quiet the wind noise, to add life to the numb steering
, and to fix that forks-in-a-disposal noise of the starter.I predict that SS size small still has its best days ahead of it. i just kidding. i still have my gsr evo 4 life! screw cobalts! I don't care what anyone says, it's still a cheap cobalt. Would never own one. Nothing cool about cheap unless your 17yrs old. Blah.
They are not superior, the definition of superior negates that possibility. If you're building a drag car, are you going to use an AWD platform or a RWD platform? The fastest cars in the world are RWD. The fact that AWD is not the dominant form in all racing means you cannot say it is superior. If 50% of people like red and 50% like blue, is red dominant to blue?
FWD is not always bad. Look at the weight of the SS and compare it to the weight of the Evo, why do you think there is such a discrepancy? Part of it is due to the drivetrain, the transmission, diffs and axles are heavy.
FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces. This is why there are virtually no RWD rally cars, most are either FWD or AWD.
The best AWD systems in the world try to mimic the behaviour of RWD cars. Hell, a lot even go so far as acting like a RWD in terms of power delivery until things get slippery.
By the very way in which it works, AWD systems of all types are prone to understeer. Why? Because they force the front wheels to do double duty. Whenever you do this, you take away the front wheels ability to steer the car. Some cars have very nice systems to avoid this but it still rears its ugly head from time to time.
FWD is not always bad. Look at the weight of the SS and compare it to the weight of the Evo, why do you think there is such a discrepancy? Part of it is due to the drivetrain, the transmission, diffs and axles are heavy.
FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces. This is why there are virtually no RWD rally cars, most are either FWD or AWD.
The best AWD systems in the world try to mimic the behaviour of RWD cars. Hell, a lot even go so far as acting like a RWD in terms of power delivery until things get slippery.
By the very way in which it works, AWD systems of all types are prone to understeer. Why? Because they force the front wheels to do double duty. Whenever you do this, you take away the front wheels ability to steer the car. Some cars have very nice systems to avoid this but it still rears its ugly head from time to time.
I said when is the RWD is better then any other and when is not.
Who the hell talking about drag cars???
The fastest car in the world?? who talking about them????
i said the following if you dont want to read it i had to repeat it for you :
"For dry tarmac, smooth surface race, the RWD is a best."
"Any other category goes for the AWD. Period."
"The AWD system is designed to handle any conditions. That is why the Rally cars / as a EVO/ got one.
And for that they are superior compere to any other one."
quote from you:
"FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces."
maybe for the rookies. Not true.
at least try to stay true what i say,
Last edited by Robevo RS; Oct 22, 2008 at 04:04 AM.
Wow this thread blew up I tried reading some of it but its just too much conflicting information Anyway who cares about the SS...sure it may be fast, but I would still never buy one (still best bang for $). I would much rather keep my a honda si Just my opinion.
I tried reading some of it but its just too much conflicting information Anyway who cares about the SS...sure it may be fast, but I would still never buy one (still best bang for $). I would much rather keep my a honda si Just my opinion.
firts of all you are still not listening...
I said when is the RWD is better then any other and when is not.
Who the hell talking about drag cars???
The fastest car in the world?? who talking about them????
i said the following if you dont want to read it i had to repeat it for you :
"For dry tarmac, smooth surface race, the RWD is a best."
"Any other category goes for the AWD. Period."
"The AWD system is designed to handle any conditions. That is why the Rally cars / as a EVO/ got one.
And for that they are superior compere to any other one."
quote from you:
"FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces."
maybe for the rookies. Not true.
at least try to stay true what i say,
I said when is the RWD is better then any other and when is not.
Who the hell talking about drag cars???
The fastest car in the world?? who talking about them????
i said the following if you dont want to read it i had to repeat it for you :
"For dry tarmac, smooth surface race, the RWD is a best."
"Any other category goes for the AWD. Period."
"The AWD system is designed to handle any conditions. That is why the Rally cars / as a EVO/ got one.
And for that they are superior compere to any other one."
quote from you:
"FWD is better than RWD in snow or on slippery surfaces."
maybe for the rookies. Not true.
at least try to stay true what i say,
As I said, the definition of superior negates the possibility of applying the term to any of the drivetrain arrangements.
If they allowed AWD and ABS and all the other nice gadgets, I'm sure they would use them.
