I think its better to buy a few parts or save them install all at once and tune right then and there. Save money/parts buy everything and tune.

 

^^ LOL How is that a very educated response?? LOL no info to back up his theory and its an educated response LOL. Stock turbo ... stock intake. LOL So what happens if i am n/a. I am supposed to keep my intake stock forever??? LOL Ok look up dyno graphs from Bushard, Ams, ETS, Nisei, they all made power from their intake pipes.
All in all most of the intakes out there is every similar and make similar power. It is basicaly goes down to looks and price.
IMO i like Nisei because it relocates the blow off tube underneath the intake.

 

I guess.

I know the first thing i did was get a tune. 72whp with a simple flash is a lot of fun.

Put on my parts one at a time, and tuned myself as I went.

 

We have seen HKS drop-in filter to gain at least 7-8 whp with just a tune on stock EVO X.

http://www.norcalevo.net/showthread.php?t=28108

Bryan @ GST does most of the tuning for us now and we have seen awesome results!

 

Check out our Evolution X Dyno thread in the Dyno Section.

We have seen very good gains with our hand milled maf adapter and cone filter intake.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-products.html


Just Boost Controller (Huge Gain Over Stock


Boost Controller and Intake (Huge Gain over just boost controller)

All this was done with no tuning.

You can see our intake here.


http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/p...duct_info.html

If you have any questions let me know!

Thanks,

Michael

 

RRE have dynoed many of them and found ~30 hp gain and ~24 ft-lbs of torque gain. This is more believable than the 16 advertised since the intake leans out the AF and adds ~1-2 psi of boost.

ECUflash is not out yet and ECUtech costs $750 to tune a car where I live.

Once ECUflash is out, you can get power for $160 IF YOU KNOW HOW TO TUNE. If not, then you will have to pay someone to tune your car. One Shop that has ECUflash Beta is charging $400 for a tune on the X.

And the intake retails for $283, not $290.

 

I love being told how much so and so shop made with their intake, how much their tune in their area costs, etc. Totally useless information. I cant count how many different variables come into play making those claims.

And when ecuflash comes out, there will be plenty of maps that you can upload and get the 70whp+ in a stock car. A few more HP will be available via a "custom" tune but for most people the "off the net" maps will be plenty safe and plenty powerful.

And about that the $7 difference....thx i cant believe i posted such horribly wrong info.

 

ok thanks for all the responses. I think maybe I will just wait for openecu and then tune. It seems like after a tune the intake maybe useless.

 

The intake isnt totally useless. Lots of cool sounds come out with a new intake.

 

Most people I believe for their very first mod don't want to tune as they are just feeling out the car and not set on there absolute modification ladder. Intake systems provide an easy upgrade path with modest gains and modest dollars. Once experiencing the increase in power and driveability an intake can offer, the bug sets in and you want to mod more. Can't really eat just one Lays potato chip... So where do you go after the intake if this was your first mod, which was mine. Since you already have the intake, it would be unwise to put it back to stock and waste the money. There is no disadvantage of having the aftermarket intake on the car with additional mods, including the tune. Can a tune do what an intake can do with software - yes. What the intake does is make the tuning easier to adjust the tables. If you are only going to make modest power with a tune, the stock intake is probably fine and even a drop in filter is questionable. If you are going to make 400+ hp or more, than the intake system options become greater in their value and will at some point outperform a stock intake system and later on a drop in.

The same theroy I believe can be applied to UICP/LICP. With a stock tune and exhaust, there is really very little benefit other than cleaner/show looks. With maximum power increases, these pipes provide a bit of additional power.

It would be interesting to poll who has done their ECU tune first, vs all other available mods.

 

+1

 

If the tune wasnt made to take into some room in the AFR's for the intake, this isnt true.

 

Good point... Intakes have always seemed to me to be the best initial mod... until I found out that (for Evo X's anyways) that most intakes make more power by leaning out the fuel curve... the issue with that is, in conjunction with an OTS map, there is a possibility of running too lean, and causing damage... I guess that's the good and the bad of being on a forum like this... lots of different opinions, but, I for one, don't always know what to make of them...

 

Agreed. I meant to say no disadvantage with the tune to have the intake as the tune is calibrated for each intake.

I don't believe any intake alone without a tune has caused unsafe A/F ratios. Just makes the very rich stock condition a little leaner which puts it in the normal range.

 

hmmm

what if your planning to go bolt ons and a mbc.

and no tune?

does this change anything at all? cuz all i see is useless because of tune this and useless cuz of tune that...

??
just wondering dont plan on getting a tune haha