GSR and MR roadcourse, laptime diff.
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murlo: you seem to be "out to get" the MR, as in, anyone who says the GSR is faster you instantly jump on and say "YEAH! See, I told you so!", but when other people in this thread say they have seen reviews that say the MR is faster, you instantly call BS. Try to have a slightly more open mind, I see that you own a GSR and naturally you want to have your decision to purchase it over the MR reinforced with performance numbers.
Remember, for 95% of us on this board, who are nothing better than average drivers, that SST transmission will make a big difference on the track. You never miss a shift, the car blips the throttle for you on downshift, no heel-toe action needed, keeping both hands on the wheel for better control.
So why is it so difficult to believe? Just because of the minor weight penalty the MR suffers over the GSR? Remember, it's not only weight that is a big deal, it's where that weight is located, so just because the MR is heavier, doesn't automatically mean it's going to be slower.
You are correct that the GSR is a more modification friendly car, but there are buyers out there like myself, who won't be doing any more mods than a nice titanium exhaust system, intake, some coilovers, and sticky rubber. For us, the power holding of the MR's SST isn't a big deal. With the MR, I can have a relaxed, comfortable daily drive to work, but then (barring overheating issues) have some fun on the track every once in a while.
If you are going to be competitively racing your Evo, or building a dyno queen, or big horsepower drag car, than the GSR is the obvious choice. But if you aren't looking for any of that, the MR isn't a bad choice as a practical performance sedan.
As far as the magazine tests go, remember, different drivers will yield different results, so of course there are going to be variations. You say you have no proof or links to all these articles you have read that say the GSR is faster around the track, but a couple links, and a video reference (Best Motoring) have been posted showing that the MR is faster. Support your argument, people might tend to believe you more if you do.
Remember, for 95% of us on this board, who are nothing better than average drivers, that SST transmission will make a big difference on the track. You never miss a shift, the car blips the throttle for you on downshift, no heel-toe action needed, keeping both hands on the wheel for better control.
So why is it so difficult to believe? Just because of the minor weight penalty the MR suffers over the GSR? Remember, it's not only weight that is a big deal, it's where that weight is located, so just because the MR is heavier, doesn't automatically mean it's going to be slower.
You are correct that the GSR is a more modification friendly car, but there are buyers out there like myself, who won't be doing any more mods than a nice titanium exhaust system, intake, some coilovers, and sticky rubber. For us, the power holding of the MR's SST isn't a big deal. With the MR, I can have a relaxed, comfortable daily drive to work, but then (barring overheating issues) have some fun on the track every once in a while.
If you are going to be competitively racing your Evo, or building a dyno queen, or big horsepower drag car, than the GSR is the obvious choice. But if you aren't looking for any of that, the MR isn't a bad choice as a practical performance sedan.
As far as the magazine tests go, remember, different drivers will yield different results, so of course there are going to be variations. You say you have no proof or links to all these articles you have read that say the GSR is faster around the track, but a couple links, and a video reference (Best Motoring) have been posted showing that the MR is faster. Support your argument, people might tend to believe you more if you do.
I just like to see people who agree with me, it's really just an opinion so who cares, thats all forums are anyway, people's opinions and some fact, take them for what they are. Sorry if I hurt feelings.
I just read your whole statement, I agree with you almost completely, so
. And I hate referencing articles or videos, way too many variables, so I try not to post them, and try not to agree/disagree with them, so I am pretty sure i did at one point in this thread or another, so i apologize for that as I don't like to, probably did it because at the time it supported my argument and I was frustrated, lol.
MR and GSR both win in my book. To each his own, different strokes for different folks, and I was simply stating that the two were meant for different purposes.
Last edited by murlo26; Jan 23, 2009 at 05:56 AM.
I am still a beginner with the track thing, and I waste a lot of time dealing with the stick. I usually drive a IX on the track, but there are general things that would apply here. I guaranty that if I had an SS in my IX, even with a weight and power penalty, I would go around the track faster because I would not be losing time dealing with trying to match revs, heal-toe, and whatnot. An expert probably does these things without even thinking about it, but for a beginner like me or someone who does not have a lot of seat time in an Evo (assuming the X has a goofy shift feel like the IX) or someone who is not very familiar with AWD (magazine editors joyriding for a review), having one less thing to think about would instill confidence and allow concentration on lines and brake points. It is not just the fast shifts, it is the confidence from knowing you do not have to worry about the shifts and being able to just concentrate on driving.
That is why I think the MR is faster in reviews. You need numbers from someone who is an expert at driving the X at the track to know which one has the potential to be the fastest machine.
That is why I think the MR is faster in reviews. You need numbers from someone who is an expert at driving the X at the track to know which one has the potential to be the fastest machine.
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