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Is the Evo X a "rally bred" production vehicle?
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Is the Evo X a "rally bred" production vehicle?
I noticed this question come up a few times on this forum and I found the discussions about it amusing and interesting. Let's get down to business, shall we?
What is a "rally bred" production vehicle?
Let's agree that a rally bred vehicle is basically a car that has been used in professional rally racing. More specifically let's keep our discussion to an accepted professional series such as the WRC and look at ALL the vehicles ever used in WRC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car
Hey the Evo X isn't on that list, is it still "rally bred"?
This is where things get sticky. If you look at the list above you'll notice that Lancers built from 2001 to 2005 were indeed the "base" for WRC based Lancers. But this doesn't include the Evo X does it? Well, no, technically it doesn't. But isn't the Evo X based on the earlier generation Evos? Are there not similarities and/or borrowed ideas/technology from earlier models that have made their way into the Evo X? Of course there are, and by this definition the Evo X is a rally based production vehicle, at least somewhat. Perhaps not "rally bred" since the platform was never, or has never, been used for actual professional rallying but it would be hard to deny that the Lancer platform is not a rally inspired design.
Thank you for your time.
WRCdriver
What is a "rally bred" production vehicle?
Let's agree that a rally bred vehicle is basically a car that has been used in professional rally racing. More specifically let's keep our discussion to an accepted professional series such as the WRC and look at ALL the vehicles ever used in WRC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car
Hey the Evo X isn't on that list, is it still "rally bred"?
This is where things get sticky. If you look at the list above you'll notice that Lancers built from 2001 to 2005 were indeed the "base" for WRC based Lancers. But this doesn't include the Evo X does it? Well, no, technically it doesn't. But isn't the Evo X based on the earlier generation Evos? Are there not similarities and/or borrowed ideas/technology from earlier models that have made their way into the Evo X? Of course there are, and by this definition the Evo X is a rally based production vehicle, at least somewhat. Perhaps not "rally bred" since the platform was never, or has never, been used for actual professional rallying but it would be hard to deny that the Lancer platform is not a rally inspired design.
Thank you for your time.
WRCdriver
Rally based/bred/inspired all mean beasically the same thing...just think about it. The production Evo X is not a Rally Car...however it's design is BASED off Rally heritage because of the AWD system for example. The production Evo X is also INSPIRED by real rally cars due to its power and handeling for example. The production Evo X is also BRED from a Rally Car due to numerous characterics or genes if you will, that it share with Rally cars...you get the point? These 3 are basically the same thing
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Mitsubishi said in a video that since they droped out of the WRC in 06 they can now make a lancer evolution to fit a larger market. This car is no rally car, the paint would be all gone after the first stage, the gear box in the MR would be hot enough to cook an egg.
On the other hand a "rally" is mostly a dirt road with some curves to it. Any car can be a rally car (even ford has one!). The WRC cars get stuck and damaged very easily, just by going down a dirt road. A stock tacoma would do better off road than a WRC car. The WRC car can just go fast. Hell, if more than 4-5 inches of snow is on the stage they will plow with the front air dam and get stuck.
They cant be too bad ***'d off road if the stages have to be man made/plowed before they can start
On the other hand a "rally" is mostly a dirt road with some curves to it. Any car can be a rally car (even ford has one!). The WRC cars get stuck and damaged very easily, just by going down a dirt road. A stock tacoma would do better off road than a WRC car. The WRC car can just go fast. Hell, if more than 4-5 inches of snow is on the stage they will plow with the front air dam and get stuck.
They cant be too bad ***'d off road if the stages have to be man made/plowed before they can start
my 2002 wrx had a tougher suspension, was lighter, and more travel than my evo. The evo is a road car or a bad weather street toy IMO. I took my wrx on dirt roads, did not slow down for speed bumps, drove on sand dunes, and generally enjoyed it for it's ability to go places without having to treat it nice.
The evo has about 100 hp more and handles properly...it just doesn't seem as thrashable.
The evo has about 100 hp more and handles properly...it just doesn't seem as thrashable.
So its a basically a groupe N rally car without a safety requirements for rally...
Talk is cheap facts are more valuable:
the homologation basic documents for a Evolution X 08 model:
http://www.ralliart.co.jp/GRN/homolo...ancerEvo10.pdf
pleas stop the BS from now on.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jun 16, 2009 at 08:00 PM.
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I noticed this question come up a few times on this forum and I found the discussions about it amusing and interesting. Let's get down to business, shall we?
What is a "rally bred" production vehicle?
Let's agree that a rally bred vehicle is basically a car that has been used in professional rally racing. More specifically let's keep our discussion to an accepted professional series such as the WRC and look at ALL the vehicles ever used in WRC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car
Hey the Evo X isn't on that list, is it still "rally bred"?
This is where things get sticky. If you look at the list above you'll notice that Lancers built from 2001 to 2005 were indeed the "base" for WRC based Lancers. But this doesn't include the Evo X does it? Well, no, technically it doesn't. But isn't the Evo X based on the earlier generation Evos? Are there not similarities and/or borrowed ideas/technology from earlier models that have made their way into the Evo X? Of course there are, and by this definition the Evo X is a rally based production vehicle, at least somewhat. Perhaps not "rally bred" since the platform was never, or has never, been used for actual professional rallying but it would be hard to deny that the Lancer platform is not a rally inspired design.
Thank you for your time.
WRCdriver
What is a "rally bred" production vehicle?
Let's agree that a rally bred vehicle is basically a car that has been used in professional rally racing. More specifically let's keep our discussion to an accepted professional series such as the WRC and look at ALL the vehicles ever used in WRC here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car
Hey the Evo X isn't on that list, is it still "rally bred"?
This is where things get sticky. If you look at the list above you'll notice that Lancers built from 2001 to 2005 were indeed the "base" for WRC based Lancers. But this doesn't include the Evo X does it? Well, no, technically it doesn't. But isn't the Evo X based on the earlier generation Evos? Are there not similarities and/or borrowed ideas/technology from earlier models that have made their way into the Evo X? Of course there are, and by this definition the Evo X is a rally based production vehicle, at least somewhat. Perhaps not "rally bred" since the platform was never, or has never, been used for actual professional rallying but it would be hard to deny that the Lancer platform is not a rally inspired design.
Thank you for your time.
WRCdriver
Also because the EVo X is not in the WRC list that doesnt mean is not a rally car.
Many great rally car is not on the list.The rally doesnt mean WRC only. Fact, out of the most successful Mitsubishi rally cars, not one of them where a WRC car. So they weren't rally cars?
Also there are professional rally teams using Evo X as a rally car. AS you miss stated in your post.
I'm sure this thread will bring up some interesting opinion
But i'm happy because at least there is some interest here about rally.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jun 16, 2009 at 07:58 PM.
it's an interesting argument. the original evos were built to take rallying. but they had to be sold as consumer cars nonetheless to be homologated. It really comes down to the intent. The original evos were built with certain specifics to take rallying, body dimensions etc. The x on the other hand has the technology and "dna" from the older evos but it wasn't intended to go rallying in terms of wrc.
private teams and constructors can and have taken the x chassis and modified it to handle the rigors of rallying, but what you drive on the road and what's run on the rally course will differ a lot. also if you check out rallycars.com, they mention that the evo was intended primarly for tarmac which makes sense that your regular production evo wont handle going offroad as well as a scooby.
private teams and constructors can and have taken the x chassis and modified it to handle the rigors of rallying, but what you drive on the road and what's run on the rally course will differ a lot. also if you check out rallycars.com, they mention that the evo was intended primarly for tarmac which makes sense that your regular production evo wont handle going offroad as well as a scooby.
^ I sort of agree. It's tough for any of us to say what Mitsubishi's intentions were, but I feel like the I-IX were built to rally first, and were brought to the consumer market for homologation rules second, while the X was built more predominantly as a consumer car.
But then again, the X was built off of the designs and technologies from the previous Evos. Does this mean it is also rally bred?
It's a moot argument, and should get pretty interesting as more people add their opinion... getcha popcorn ready.
But then again, the X was built off of the designs and technologies from the previous Evos. Does this mean it is also rally bred?
It's a moot argument, and should get pretty interesting as more people add their opinion... getcha popcorn ready.
Last edited by macPSU; Jun 16, 2009 at 08:23 PM.
i would also say it's "inspired" and not a straight up WRC vehicle. those that have gran turismo 5 prologue can download the interview with the engineers, and they specifically said they designed the car to have a more luxurious feel and class, while keeping the power and handling evos are known for. take that for what you will, but i'd say they were looking for a car with a balance of power and class, consumer-oriented vehicle more than a car that's ready for off-road courses off the lot. not saying that the x isn't capable of that, but it's built with different intentions for sure.
engineers, and they specifically said they designed the car to have a more luxurious feel and class, while keeping the power and handling evos are known for. take that for what you will, but i'd say they were looking for a car with a balance of power and class, consumer-oriented vehicle more than a car that's ready for off-road courses off the lot. not saying that the x isn't capable of that, but it's built with different intentions for sure.
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The AWD system is better but overall the car is more consumer based. I think everyone can agree on that. When all the old evos are gone and crashed they will have to use the X or just use subarus.
Heres a cool rally vid. Mostly new GR series scoobys as far as front runners but theirs a few older evos.http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...009_493773.htm
Heres a cool rally vid. Mostly new GR series scoobys as far as front runners but theirs a few older evos.http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...009_493773.htm
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i would also say it's "inspired" and not a straight up WRC vehicle. those that have gran turismo 5 prologue can download the interview with the engineers, and they specifically said they designed the car to have a more luxurious feel and class, while keeping the power and handling evos are known for. take that for what you will, but i'd say they were looking for a car with a balance of power and class, consumer-oriented vehicle more than a car that's ready for off-road courses off the lot. not saying that the x isn't capable of that, but it's built with different intentions for sure.
engineers, and they specifically said they designed the car to have a more luxurious feel and class, while keeping the power and handling evos are known for. take that for what you will, but i'd say they were looking for a car with a balance of power and class, consumer-oriented vehicle more than a car that's ready for off-road courses off the lot. not saying that the x isn't capable of that, but it's built with different intentions for sure.