View Poll Results: What is the Lancer Evolution X?
Rally Based/Bred
23
28.40%
Rally Inspired
40
49.38%
neither
18
22.22%
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Is the Evo X a "rally bred" production vehicle?
Evo X's are currently being run as Rally cars...
http://www.rally-america.com/index.php
BTW, I chose "Rally Inspired".
http://www.rally-america.com/index.php
BTW, I chose "Rally Inspired".
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it's an interesting argument. the original evos were built to take rallying. but they had to be sold as consumer cars nonetheless to be homologated. It really comes down to the intent. The original evos were built with certain specifics to take rallying, body dimensions etc. The x on the other hand has the technology and "dna" from the older evos but it wasn't intended to go rallying in terms of wrc.
Remember when the X came out and everybody complained that it was heavier, softer, and less rough around the edges compared to the VIII and IX? Here's why.
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Lot's of interesting opinions and good information in the thread so far. Looks like Tanner Foust is rockin' the Evo X in the dirt: http://rally-america.com/photo_galle...040&gallery=78
I really wonder if his choice is more about style or substance though? I don't blame him though. I would probably pick an Evo X as my rally sled too, even if the older Evo/STi stuff is technically "better."
See, I knew you guys could have a civil discussion about the heritage and inspiration for the Evo X without getting into a pissing match.
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I really wonder if his choice is more about style or substance though? I don't blame him though. I would probably pick an Evo X as my rally sled too, even if the older Evo/STi stuff is technically "better."
See, I knew you guys could have a civil discussion about the heritage and inspiration for the Evo X without getting into a pissing match.
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The X is rally bred, it's roots are deep in the WRC, the EVO (1-10) in my mind has the strongest rally heritage any vehicle could possibly have. The X is being rallied, sure the production model isn't fit for these conditions but no production car can handle the abuse those cars go through without modification! As time goes on, people want more creature comforts, bigger, wider tires, sound systems, bluetooth, navigation/DVD and so forth.
Trust me, no one would buy an WRC built EVO and use it as a DD, the suspension system alone would snap necks lol... Mitsubishi has to evolve as a car company, they do a great job by keeping their line up fresh; that being said, they had to offer different elements to the X to keep costumers coming/satisfied. People can argue all they want, but I'm sticking to my guns, "The X is rally bred"!
Trust me, no one would buy an WRC built EVO and use it as a DD, the suspension system alone would snap necks lol... Mitsubishi has to evolve as a car company, they do a great job by keeping their line up fresh; that being said, they had to offer different elements to the X to keep costumers coming/satisfied. People can argue all they want, but I'm sticking to my guns, "The X is rally bred"!
every single Rally car was build to be a consumer car from the begin with. 
The rally rules say : you have to sell at least 2500 model to being homologated for the FIA WRC rally on the market for the costumers. So as a requirements growing for the street to being legal, the cars gaining weight with it. For explaining the weight gaining for some.
So there is the X RS model still ...
Then they take the "consumer car " and for the group they want to run, modify it to be a rally car.
the "WRC" cars never see the streets or the dealership. Unless they are on display and they cost well over $100k.
They are straight out of the factory rally cars like this :
http://www.motorauthority.com/mitsub...p-n-racer.html
The X is a rally bred 100%. I did one rally with a completely stock X , and finish it after i broke my KW's on the car in the first day. So yes even a oem suspension can take the abuse on it.
The rally rules say : you have to sell at least 2500 model to being homologated for the FIA WRC rally on the market for the costumers.
So as a requirements growing for the street to being legal, the cars gaining weight with it. For explaining the weight gaining for some.So there is the X RS model still ...
Then they take the "consumer car " and for the group they want to run, modify it to be a rally car.
the "WRC" cars never see the streets or the dealership. Unless they are on display and they cost well over $100k.
They are straight out of the factory rally cars like this :
http://www.motorauthority.com/mitsub...p-n-racer.html
The X is a rally bred 100%. I did one rally with a completely stock X , and finish it after i broke my KW's on the car in the first day. So yes even a oem suspension can take the abuse on it.
^ I sort of agree. It's tough for any of us to say what Mitsubishi's intentions were, but I feel like the I-IX were built to rally first, and were brought to the consumer market for homologation rules second, while the X was built more predominantly as a consumer car.
But then again, the X was built off of the designs and technologies from the previous Evos. Does this mean it is also rally bred?
It's a moot argument, and should get pretty interesting as more people add their opinion... getcha popcorn ready.
But then again, the X was built off of the designs and technologies from the previous Evos. Does this mean it is also rally bred?
It's a moot argument, and should get pretty interesting as more people add their opinion... getcha popcorn ready.
but i agree that the 8's and 9's are definitely more "raw" than the X's. they still feel like a race car detuned for the street whereas the X might feel more like a street car with high performance. but the technology is still derived from the previous generation evos in terms of the acd, ayc, 2l turbo, awd. it wouldn't be an "evolution" if there weren't any design changes between each generation. on that basis it is rally bred.
when i hear rally inspired, i think of the older lancer ralliarts, the fwd cars with a slightly uprated engine/suspension, oz wheels and a ralliart badge. to me that's "inspired". the x is a clear evolution from the 9 in terms of technology. it might have "gone soft" but there's nothing some tweaks and a diet can't fix. i think the counter argument is that mitsubishi stopped rallying the cars and building them for racing so they're more "rally inspired" than direct descendants from the evos that were built for fia specs. but still, mitsu carried the same technology over from those evos so i think it's still rally bred.
Rally Inspired, but no longer a Rally car;
We all know this don't we?
It was born at the rally courses but Mitsu's final goal is to make sure everyone can have a taste of their mighty Evo;
They have to soften things a bit for the REST (not hardcore Evo fans)
We all know this don't we?
It was born at the rally courses but Mitsu's final goal is to make sure everyone can have a taste of their mighty Evo;
They have to soften things a bit for the REST (not hardcore Evo fans)
Last edited by jazket; Jun 17, 2009 at 07:30 AM.
not entirely true. the VI was the last car built to be homologated. the VII was built to compete in a different class, the WRC class instead of groupA. mitsubishi never officially rallied the 8's and 9's and thus they weren't built to groupA class rules.
but i agree that the 8's and 9's are definitely more "raw" than the X's. they still feel like a race car detuned for the street whereas the X might feel more like a street car with high performance. but the technology is still derived from the previous generation evos in terms of the acd, ayc, 2l turbo, awd. it wouldn't be an "evolution" if there weren't any design changes between each generation. on that basis it is rally bred.
when i hear rally inspired, i think of the older lancer ralliarts, the fwd cars with a slightly uprated engine/suspension, oz wheels and a ralliart badge. to me that's "inspired". the x is a clear evolution from the 9 in terms of technology. it might have "gone soft" but there's nothing some tweaks and a diet can't fix. i think the counter argument is that mitsubishi stopped rallying the cars and building them for racing so they're more "rally inspired" than direct descendants from the evos that were built for fia specs. but still, mitsu carried the same technology over from those evos so i think it's still rally bred.
but i agree that the 8's and 9's are definitely more "raw" than the X's. they still feel like a race car detuned for the street whereas the X might feel more like a street car with high performance. but the technology is still derived from the previous generation evos in terms of the acd, ayc, 2l turbo, awd. it wouldn't be an "evolution" if there weren't any design changes between each generation. on that basis it is rally bred.
when i hear rally inspired, i think of the older lancer ralliarts, the fwd cars with a slightly uprated engine/suspension, oz wheels and a ralliart badge. to me that's "inspired". the x is a clear evolution from the 9 in terms of technology. it might have "gone soft" but there's nothing some tweaks and a diet can't fix. i think the counter argument is that mitsubishi stopped rallying the cars and building them for racing so they're more "rally inspired" than direct descendants from the evos that were built for fia specs. but still, mitsu carried the same technology over from those evos so i think it's still rally bred.
just for a littlr bit.
Every evo was homologated even the X is, to be able to compete in the rally.
No evo was build by the factory to being a group A or WRC car untill the CT9A.
All of them is group N. The 6 wasrunning as group A car and not a WRC...
then from there you can build up for different classes.
Mitsubishi did run 8' 9 'officially in the rally...
You can take any chassis that fits the circuit regulations and develop an engine, suspension, drivetrain, etc around all that (thats still fit the regulations), then take the original name and slap 'WRC' to the back, and bam... you have a rally car. Does that make the original donor a 'rally bread' or 'rally inspired' car? Consider the Ford Focus. Before Ford modified the hell out of it for WRC, it was a joke. Yet after the heavy modifications (and after Mitsu and Sub ditched WRC), it's one of the dominant platforms in WRC these days. Polished turd? Compare the roots of the Focus to that of the Evo. Here's a history lesson:
http://www.modified.com/features/030...ory/index.html
http://www.modified.com/features/030...ory/index.html
From the beginning, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution existed solely to succeed in the World Rally Championship, and the production car was simply a byproduct of homologation rules.
Last edited by blk-majik; Jun 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM.
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