Hahaha i've done that.

 

That's one way to approach it.. I'm just happy that one of the perks at my job is a VIP purchase program with Mitsu. You price your car online with a special user account and the dealer canno hassle/haggle with you. Not only do you get your new car under invoice, you also are in and out if you have already secured financing. I was in and out of the dealership within 30 minutes. I just wish all car buying experiences could be that effortless.

 

... maybe if made them that way they'd sell more cars. IMO that's the part most people hate dealing with and put off buying cars for that very reason. Make it easy and be done with it. No reason to have this mickey mouse bs cept for the dealer to rip you off. If cars were dealer direct or price appropriately by the manufacturer... we wouldn't have the messes we have. In a perfect world right?

 

I've bought my last 3 or 4 cars this way.
Go to the dealer's website and find the car you like. Request a quote on line for that car. I usually hit 6 or 7 dealers for quotes. If the deal doesn't look good, I send an email back that their quote is way off the other deals I've been quoted. For something like a left over 08, you might need to broaden your search area to get competitive quotes, but since it's all via email, it doesn't matter. You can get the deal done before you ever show up.

 

You're exactly right.. Knowledge is definitely power and leverage in any case especially in commerce. There's a distinct rift between online and b&m sales. It's definitely evident in car sales because the dealer has to juggle the two.

I can tell you this.. the leftover 08-"09" GSRs were hitting the VIP prices at just under $30k without upgrades. I was trying to grab a screenshot to send it along, but their site doesn't seem to show those pages anymore.

 

Give the guy a break. He's trying to earn a living.

 

You are a car salesmen? The guy is trying to earn a living by taking advantage of people...

Yes this is what salesmen do, but car salesmen have a tendency to do things a little more deviously.

 

LoL, ok. What about Insurance agents, lawyers, doctors, cops, Real Estate agents, etc etc etc. If I keep going, I'll end up naming 70-80% of all professions out there. These days with the internet and such, people have to be really really competative to make a buck. And in the end of the day, those saleman have to find work elsewhere because the business sucks so bad. I say this because I used to be a salesman for a dealership that sold high end sports/luxury cars. It wasn't easy and required long hours and a crazy amount of dedication to be able to pay the bills at the end of the month. And in the end, you get laid off when the economy collapses sending you scrambling to find another job(like me last year).

Consumers these days have this notion in their head that they HAVE to have something for nothing. "Oh, your offering me the car at invoice? Can you do any better"? God forbid the person selling them the product tries to make a profit. Blasphemy! OFF with their head! I can get it cheaper...I'm going elsewhere!

I'm not defending the guy in any way, then again, reading what he wrote doesn't show that he did anything wrong. Many dealerships out there don't negotiate pricing over the internet. I know it's easy to complain about it, but put yourselves in their shoes. Just show that your interested by actually paying them a visit. I know it's easy sending out emails from the comfort of your computer and then laughing about it with others, but give it a try.

*PS, Not currently in Sales anymore, don't be afraid. I won't take your wallet

 

100% agree. The guy is trying to sell cars and earn a living. If you don't like it go buy somewhere else. Someone will buy the car and enjoy it.

 

Oh... insurance salesmen and real-estate are at the top of my list of shady people to avoid. My wife has been involved in real-estate (titling) for 4 years (now she's dental hygienist), and the amount of shady work that goes on with real-estate is mind boggling.

There are some good salesmen out there that actually can assist in the sale. But that is very few and I've only seen it one time in the years. Most consumers know what they want before they even walk up to the lot. Most salesmen treat them like idiots that have no idea where to put the car keys. But I do all the research, I do all the comparisons. What value is a salesmen in such a case? All he did was go along for a ride in the test drive to make sure I didn't steal the car. With such people comes crazy mark ups.

Salesmen are a dying breed because of how easy it is to do your own research and to get items. And they wouldn't be so bad if they didn't lie to your face and use shady tactics to trick consumers into spending more money than they should. That is what salesmen have been degraded to, tricking consumers into handing over more money. Not what they were originally created to do... explain a product. Most salesmen are freakin idiots when it comes to cars and have no idea what they are talking about. You may have been an exception being in the exotic car industry, but this is a rarity in general.

My best friend was a closer for 10 years, I'm well aware of the tactics used. He almost got caught packing a payment and had to give the car away so he wouldn't go to jail. Fun stuff for making a living.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

Yeah the salesman is doing his job here, the OP is a little off base for blasting this guy for trying to move a car. The OP has to remember there's millions of people who waste dealership's time by emailing them constantly and never moving on the vehicle, in the event of going to the physical location you at least show interest in purchasing the car, instead of entirely blowing smoke. However, some dealership want to "wine and dine" you, for those who do so, I'm sure they'll be joining me in the unemployment line!

 

If you worked for a dealership like Honda, Mitsubishi, Hyundai etc with like 10 other guys in the showroom waiting around for customers, only to sell a couple of cars a month which barely pay you anything in commision and have to deal with customers that "get all their research online" and couldn't care less what technical knowledge about the product you are willing to give because they are skipping from dealership to dealership looking for the LOWEST price imaginable...what makes you think that salesman is motivated enough to teach himself the product or even care about anything?
Have you ever met someone who works at McDonalds that is passionate about their job and can tell you how many calories a Big Mac has?

 

best thing is to get your financing in order with a locked in interest rate, email the sales manager tell him your looking at X amount OTD and if you are trading a car in tell him a number too. look up the trade in value of your car and send them that number. if you give them something to work with they will work with it, but they wont just spew numbers out, they typically want to know where you stand first before make an offer.

like others have said dont forget how much an 08 gsr has depreciated.

 

This thread is very informative at least for me considering that I am in the market for an evo come February-March.

All fine and dandy except for one particular post. Give me a break please. Car salesman working hard?! Have you ever seen a sweaty car salesman? Have you ever looked at those neatly trimmed and lacquer polished nails and clean shave and like 9 of them just hanging around the dealership doing stuff like watching football game or playing solitaire or texting. I went to many dealerships over the past 11 years to buy cars for myself, my ex girlfriend, my parents, her parents etc. Not once have I seen one of those sales people look like he is in real pain of working anywhere close to difficulty of a person that has a hands on job or level of stress that comes on a real business job.

But what do I know?

In my experience every single dealer tries to deceive. You print out an ad from their website and go to their dealership and they claim that ohh its an outdated price or a mistake in pricing... a mistake that was on website for 5 months.

I know what gets them going. A pre-written check for lets say $25000. A check that tells them that I am serious. Then they try to add another 10 grand of mumbo jumbo. Sorry no can do. I come with 25 grand and I intend to either leave with 25 grand or buy vehicle out the door with all taxes and tags paid for.

In my experience dealers hate when you try to bargain with them and they can read you like a book too so if you go there and leave your emotions at the door and get a couple of phone calls, act busy and uninterested... you can score a much better deal that way.