Odd question regarding warranty.....
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Odd question regarding warranty.....
I have been beta testing the Perrin Stage 3 version 2 map over the past week or so. I am very happy with the dyno numbers and the 0-60 times. That has actually what I have been doing most of my testing on. Using the AP, Gtech pro and a newly aquired Vericom. My problem is my slipping clutch now. (duh) I am getting slip in fourth and fifth, and I think it slipped on the dyno as well this weekend. Shows a torque loss then a spike. I only have 6000 miles on the car and I can honestly say that I beat on it doing these 2 step launches. If Mitsu does warranty this, is the new clutch updated? Or is it the same clutch? (that is possibly not up to the task anyway) Wondering if I should by a new one and see if they will install that instead. Maybe the tech could use a clutch. I dont know.
I believe the clutch is just considered a wear item, even on a stock car. It's not covered under the standard drivetrain warranty.
So you want to buy an aftermarket clutch, take it to a Mitsu dealer, have them warranty it, and then install your new clutch?
Really?
I mean, really?
Bite the bullet and get a new clutch installed by some speed shop, or do it yourself. Mitsu ain't gonna do anything for you here.
Wondering if I should by a new one and see if they will install that instead. Maybe the tech could use a clutch. I dont know.
Really?
I mean, really?
Bite the bullet and get a new clutch installed by some speed shop, or do it yourself. Mitsu ain't gonna do anything for you here.
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clutch is covered 12mo/12k miles, kinda. basically ur on the hook diag time (take apart, look at reassemble) for checking the clutch. if, doubtful, but if, it is warranty, ur fine. if not, ur gonna end up paying them the labor to install a new one.
basically, once they get it apart, they can kinda tell if its been abused (heat marks on pressure plate/flywheel, mine was a nice bluish color when my clutch quit, and im sure urs will be to, which means not warranty).
any time they do a clutch under warranty, they have to send the parts back to mitsu for inspection, and if mitsus ppl say its been abused and the dealer warrantied it, the dealer gets charged back.
so the short of it is, u smoked ur clutch, u get to buy a new one. sucks
basically, once they get it apart, they can kinda tell if its been abused (heat marks on pressure plate/flywheel, mine was a nice bluish color when my clutch quit, and im sure urs will be to, which means not warranty).
any time they do a clutch under warranty, they have to send the parts back to mitsu for inspection, and if mitsus ppl say its been abused and the dealer warrantied it, the dealer gets charged back.
so the short of it is, u smoked ur clutch, u get to buy a new one. sucks
Hey, at least you are honest!
The launching definitely does it. I think the stock clutch can last several years without launching, even with an extra 100whp or so.
As far as warranty, just forget about taking it to the dealer. There is no point returning it to stock, when they are going to find roasted clutch disc material and hot spots on the flywheel.
This might be a good time to go to a really nice clutch like an Exedy twin. Still, I'd keep the launching to a minimum if you can. It might be fun, but it wreaks havoc on all parts of the drivetrain. The only reason to ignore this advice is if you have a lot of money and want to use an Evo as a drag car.
The launching definitely does it. I think the stock clutch can last several years without launching, even with an extra 100whp or so.
As far as warranty, just forget about taking it to the dealer. There is no point returning it to stock, when they are going to find roasted clutch disc material and hot spots on the flywheel.
This might be a good time to go to a really nice clutch like an Exedy twin. Still, I'd keep the launching to a minimum if you can. It might be fun, but it wreaks havoc on all parts of the drivetrain. The only reason to ignore this advice is if you have a lot of money and want to use an Evo as a drag car.
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Hey, at least you are honest!
The launching definitely does it. I think the stock clutch can last several years without launching, even with an extra 100whp or so.
As far as warranty, just forget about taking it to the dealer. There is no point returning it to stock, when they are going to find roasted clutch disc material and hot spots on the flywheel.
This might be a good time to go to a really nice clutch like an Exedy twin. Still, I'd keep the launching to a minimum if you can. It might be fun, but it wreaks havoc on all parts of the drivetrain. The only reason to ignore this advice is if you have a lot of money and want to use an Evo as a drag car.
The launching definitely does it. I think the stock clutch can last several years without launching, even with an extra 100whp or so.
As far as warranty, just forget about taking it to the dealer. There is no point returning it to stock, when they are going to find roasted clutch disc material and hot spots on the flywheel.
This might be a good time to go to a really nice clutch like an Exedy twin. Still, I'd keep the launching to a minimum if you can. It might be fun, but it wreaks havoc on all parts of the drivetrain. The only reason to ignore this advice is if you have a lot of money and want to use an Evo as a drag car.
Trust me, you "barely" have a warranty on this car...it can quite possibly require filing complaint to DOI and/or an attorney to get most items on powertrain covered by them. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
Patrick
My stock clutch has slipped once and I baby it (has never been launched). The stock clutch simply isn't designed for it.
If you are going to remain at lower power levels then you can get a sprung six puck (or twin if you have the $) and drive the car awful hard without too much worry. It's the combination of upgraded turbos and launching that tends to break center diff pins or rear ends.
I was looking at the cost of replacing all of the diffs with upgraded units and that sure isn't cheap (about the same as blowing the transfer case once. lol).
If you are going to remain at lower power levels then you can get a sprung six puck (or twin if you have the $) and drive the car awful hard without too much worry. It's the combination of upgraded turbos and launching that tends to break center diff pins or rear ends.
I was looking at the cost of replacing all of the diffs with upgraded units and that sure isn't cheap (about the same as blowing the transfer case once. lol).
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Wow! Some of you guys are completely clueless! Yes I am being honest!
I went to Mitsubishi today and had the tech ride with me. He agreed it was slipping in 4 and fifth.
I went up to the service lane and spoke with the service writer. He stated that for 12/12000 wear items are covered due to more than likley being a manufacture defect. Brakes pad are covered yes. For odd noises or premature wear. Not for dust.
I saw my car being lifted in the shop and the Tech looking under the car. I walked out and asked them if my exhaust was going to be a concern. He laughed and said no. I asked if clutches go out on these cars often and he stated "not too often. Are you hard on it?" I told him yeah pretty much. He then told me that there is no where in the Mitsuboshi manual that states how you must drive your car to keep warranty intact. (I thought it said something about racing though). So they ordered my clutch and gave me the rental car today. A Chevy SS. POS.
So that should answer anyones questions as well as my own regarding warranty clutch replacement.12/12000.
Oh and he said he doesnt care what kind of clutch I give him to put back in it. He gets paid either way. Mitsubishi very rarely calls for parts back I was told. But he did advise against it because if something takes a **** in my trans or transfer case, it probably would send up a red flag with warranty.
So apparently Mitsubishi dealers around hear are not the Gestapo ***** that you guys have around there. Or is it just because Im a little older, went in accussing no one, was very polite, spoke the truth and got results. HHHMMMMMMmm
I went to Mitsubishi today and had the tech ride with me. He agreed it was slipping in 4 and fifth.
I went up to the service lane and spoke with the service writer. He stated that for 12/12000 wear items are covered due to more than likley being a manufacture defect. Brakes pad are covered yes. For odd noises or premature wear. Not for dust.
I saw my car being lifted in the shop and the Tech looking under the car. I walked out and asked them if my exhaust was going to be a concern. He laughed and said no. I asked if clutches go out on these cars often and he stated "not too often. Are you hard on it?" I told him yeah pretty much. He then told me that there is no where in the Mitsuboshi manual that states how you must drive your car to keep warranty intact. (I thought it said something about racing though). So they ordered my clutch and gave me the rental car today. A Chevy SS. POS.
So that should answer anyones questions as well as my own regarding warranty clutch replacement.12/12000.
Oh and he said he doesnt care what kind of clutch I give him to put back in it. He gets paid either way. Mitsubishi very rarely calls for parts back I was told. But he did advise against it because if something takes a **** in my trans or transfer case, it probably would send up a red flag with warranty.
So apparently Mitsubishi dealers around hear are not the Gestapo ***** that you guys have around there. Or is it just because Im a little older, went in accussing no one, was very polite, spoke the truth and got results. HHHMMMMMMmm
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p.s. and yes, it is very fair
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The real question is, if you hadn't modified the car, would the clutch still need to be replaced?
The fact is, you modified the car, increased HP, and ruined the clutch. I sure as hell don't think Mitsubishi should be covering it. Basically what you are doing is increasing the cost of future cars. You don't really think this money to replace your clutch just appears out of nowhere, do you? It's like insurance. The faults of a few, affect the rates for us all. Disappointing that you make Mitsubishi pay for what you obviously damaged. Sure, the part may actually be defective, but you could only say that truthfully if there were no mods.
An older, polite gentleman you may be, but your dealership is scamming Mitsubishi.
The fact is, you modified the car, increased HP, and ruined the clutch. I sure as hell don't think Mitsubishi should be covering it. Basically what you are doing is increasing the cost of future cars. You don't really think this money to replace your clutch just appears out of nowhere, do you? It's like insurance. The faults of a few, affect the rates for us all. Disappointing that you make Mitsubishi pay for what you obviously damaged. Sure, the part may actually be defective, but you could only say that truthfully if there were no mods.
An older, polite gentleman you may be, but your dealership is scamming Mitsubishi.
I have been beta testing the Perrin Stage 3 version 2 map over the past week or so. I am very happy with the dyno numbers and the 0-60 times. That has actually what I have been doing most of my testing on. Using the AP, Gtech pro and a newly aquired Vericom. My problem is my slipping clutch now. (duh) I am getting slip in fourth and fifth, and I think it slipped on the dyno as well this weekend. Shows a torque loss then a spike. I only have 6000 miles on the car and I can honestly say that I beat on it doing these 2 step launches. If Mitsu does warranty this, is the new clutch updated? Or is it the same clutch? (that is possibly not up to the task anyway) Wondering if I should by a new one and see if they will install that instead. Maybe the tech could use a clutch. I dont know.
Wow! Some of you guys are completely clueless! Yes I am being honest!
I went to Mitsubishi today and had the tech ride with me. He agreed it was slipping in 4 and fifth.
I went up to the service lane and spoke with the service writer. He stated that for 12/12000 wear items are covered due to more than likley being a manufacture defect. Brakes pad are covered yes. For odd noises or premature wear. Not for dust.
I saw my car being lifted in the shop and the Tech looking under the car. I walked out and asked them if my exhaust was going to be a concern. He laughed and said no. I asked if clutches go out on these cars often and he stated "not too often. Are you hard on it?" I told him yeah pretty much. He then told me that there is no where in the Mitsuboshi manual that states how you must drive your car to keep warranty intact. (I thought it said something about racing though). So they ordered my clutch and gave me the rental car today. A Chevy SS. POS.
So that should answer anyones questions as well as my own regarding warranty clutch replacement.12/12000.
Oh and he said he doesnt care what kind of clutch I give him to put back in it. He gets paid either way. Mitsubishi very rarely calls for parts back I was told. But he did advise against it because if something takes a **** in my trans or transfer case, it probably would send up a red flag with warranty.
So apparently Mitsubishi dealers around hear are not the Gestapo ***** that you guys have around there. Or is it just because Im a little older, went in accussing no one, was very polite, spoke the truth and got results. HHHMMMMMMmm
Wow! Some of you guys are completely clueless! Yes I am being honest!
I went to Mitsubishi today and had the tech ride with me. He agreed it was slipping in 4 and fifth.
I went up to the service lane and spoke with the service writer. He stated that for 12/12000 wear items are covered due to more than likley being a manufacture defect. Brakes pad are covered yes. For odd noises or premature wear. Not for dust.
I saw my car being lifted in the shop and the Tech looking under the car. I walked out and asked them if my exhaust was going to be a concern. He laughed and said no. I asked if clutches go out on these cars often and he stated "not too often. Are you hard on it?" I told him yeah pretty much. He then told me that there is no where in the Mitsuboshi manual that states how you must drive your car to keep warranty intact. (I thought it said something about racing though). So they ordered my clutch and gave me the rental car today. A Chevy SS. POS.
So that should answer anyones questions as well as my own regarding warranty clutch replacement.12/12000.
Oh and he said he doesnt care what kind of clutch I give him to put back in it. He gets paid either way. Mitsubishi very rarely calls for parts back I was told. But he did advise against it because if something takes a **** in my trans or transfer case, it probably would send up a red flag with warranty.
So apparently Mitsubishi dealers around hear are not the Gestapo ***** that you guys have around there. Or is it just because Im a little older, went in accussing no one, was very polite, spoke the truth and got results. HHHMMMMMMmm
If Mitsu does decide they want a tech to inspect it, you're frakked. Don't think you're out of the woods until you get the car back in your possession. The dealerships want to get paid, but the regional reps are cautious about what is approved, and sometimes shut down things that were sanctioned by someone locally before. It sounds like your service writer doesn't really care, so you might be OK. But getting warranty replacement on a clutch is rare. Your very low miles might be saving you.
Research your clutch options, because your choice will have a profound effect on how you feel about your car, depending on what you value.
Also, be careful what you type on internet forums. There are times that what people wrote have been use against them from the manufacturer. I've been on here almost 7 years, so trust me, I'm not saying the sky is falling to scare you for nothing.
Good luck.
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