please list this dealership!

 

do it...

 

I went from an SS/TC Cobalt to a X GSR last year. Cobalt with the factory tires was horrible in the snow(only had to drive in it a couple times). Unfortunately I have no idea how the Evo does in the snow because I baby the hell out of it and it sits in the garage for most of the winter.

Couldn't be happier with my decision to sell the Cobalt though, I liked my 98 Subaru Legacy wagon(auto lol) more than the Cobalt.

 

That's not entirely true, I've yet to lose a challenge to any Evo in my TC, including the EVO X. The trade I'd be making wouldnt be for power, because my car can do more than compete with and X, but it'll be for the AWD platform, winter driving, four doors and for hopefully better service from Mitsu.

 

Said in the nicest way possible, you aren't getting challenged by properly modified and tuned Evos. Looking at the fastest SS/TCs in the country, there are only two guys on this entire forum: http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=219659 that could beat an Evo X with basic bolt ons + Red/equivalent turbo on race gas.

With only exhaust mods and comparing something silly like highway rolls, sure. But I don't count that as real modification. To be even close drag racing, the Cobalt will need slicks. On a roadcourse, the FWD will be a huge hindrance at even a measley 400whp. The SS is just not in the same class as an Evo with medium mods to both, period.

Direct injection and FWD will never take you to the same level an Evo is capable.

 

I can tell you that a stock SS/TC will stick with any stock EVO X, whether MR or GSR, its been tested but I'm confused by this class thing... Sure the Evo is AWD, and costs a signigicant amount more but its quite heavier than a cobalt, and when you have that big of a difference with the same power being put down, I hate to say it but my car will easily compete with yours, whether you're willing to admit it or not. If you need to see the proof its out there. Besides price, there is not real 'class' difference between the cars, as far as performance goes. Sure you can upgrade the EVO platform far beyond a Cobalt, but out of the factory, theres a real competition there.

 

[quote=Noize;8604670]Said in the nicest way possible, you aren't getting challenged by properly modified and tuned Evos.

With a population 14,000 I doubt their are a lot of EVO's to "challenge" in Cold Foot Alberta Canada

 

So, you have to 'properly' modify an Evo X to beat a lightly factory tuned (with a full warrenty) Cobalt SS? The GM package bumps it from 260hp/260tq to 280hp/320tq.

It doesn't sound like the original poster drag races, so that's irrelvant. He made no mention of going to a road course either, so that's also irrelevant. It sounds like the car will just be a DD where the AWD will come in handy in the Canadian winters. In your typical onramp situation, the Cobalt will leave the Evo behind.

Warning about Evos, they are expensive to maintain. Think $350 brake rotors for the fronts. $1k clutch jobs. High insurance. ****ty gas mileage. They are amazing cars, but gotta pay to play.

 

I purchased a 180$ tactrix cable. Put on an exhaust w/HFC. Made 285WHP on a mustang with a tune. I can tell you that Cobalt usually are left behind. Thats no mods but exhaust and tune...

 

Class meaning modification potential. Front wheel drive performance car with direct injection versus All wheel drive performance car on a stiffer chassis with traditional injectors.

Total armchair theory which is wrong by the way. You already said you have a GM stage 1 kit, and I know what that is capable of (see below). I'm 100whp above stock on pump gas, and easily 130whp above stock on race gas. On pump, I can handle all but the top four of those "2009 LSJ/LNF Throw Down". On race gas, I could handle all but the top two, stock turbocharger and no nitrous here. But you are missing the point. My car gained 100whp with stock turbo and only exhaust mods and an intercooler pipe. Put on a stock appearing turbo (no aftermarket manifold needed) as many on this forum have and this competition is over.

Never disputed that at all. I have no desire to drive a stock Evo when a flash alone will gain 60+whp. This is what I mean by class. I am not saying a stock SS is not quick, I am saying there is less room for improvement.


Well, it sounds like what he is saying to me, as evidenced by his above post that his car will easily compete with mine.

I have a local friend with a very big e-mouth who drives a GM stage kit Cobalt SS/TC that also has a DP. On an identical dyno, it made 50whp less than me, both cars on 93. Top end power on the SS is tepid in comparison, though. Peak numbers alone don't tell the whole story. Area beyond peak in a tuned 4B11 is much better.

I agree stock to stock the SS is quicker in roll acceleration, which means pretty much nothing in my book. On the strip, the stock Evo is quicker. Stock on a track, they are close enough to split hairs.

That said, even with full exhaust + tune, they gain nowhere near what we do. Always been my point. They are a great value for the money if you have the urge to keep them stock. The OP did not keep his SS stock, and most Evo owners don't either.

 

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Originally Posted by Snake bite
because ralliarts are lol.

your going to be disappointed with the highway power, the cobalt will spank it. but in every other aspect the evo is better.

hahaha almost funnY GTFO

+1^

Leave the Ralliart Alone, Theres a reason the model is there. Not EVERYONE can afford an Evo and on the second hand its tough to get approved on financing since mitsu doesnt have their own finance.

 

Just tune the car. The car comes extremely rich. And the stock power dies on the upper end. A nice tune and your good to go.

 

Noize, why would you egg this dude on with your "wrong wheel drive" comments and such? The dude did not attack the X or you in his initial post. Dude is looking for advice on the purchase of an X. You could have easily given your opinion without without the subtle digs.

Meckel, you will like the X. However, some of these guys are right about the warranty. If anything, its worse than GM's. You will have a much easier time if you stay stock and something goes wrong, but its no cake walk. Oh, and i think you would not be able to beat Noize's time at the drag strip. But i think you would out trap him. On a road course, the faster, the more it benefits you and i think you stay right with him thus adding to his obvious anguish for the SS/TC for some reason...

 

I have a TBE, Drop-in, MBC, UICP, 4" IC, and BOV and tuned I made 334 awhp... this is up from your average 240-255 awhp stock, and sometimes even less depending on your location and fuel.

I apologize however for starting this great debate... it wasn't my intention, but to make you feel better about getting an X. If you get one though a few mods and you will see that indeed they are in a different league than any Cobalt could ever be, and when we say that, we aren't talking just cost... being in a different league means just in general the total package, the endless amounts of mods that can increase the car to supercar performance, the S-AWC that will get you around pretty much ANY corner that you need to at speed, the fact that in snow all you need is some snow tires and you'll be waving to guys in trucks that are stuck in the ditches as well as the fact that if you track the car, the grip of 4 tires is ALWAYS going to be an advantage over just 2, the 4 doors that make it more practical than any 2 door Cobalt, the comparisons are endless. Why do you think you don't see the cobalt matched up against the X? It's always the X vs. the STI or 135i, etc... the cobalt is in the league with the TCs, the Si's, the Mazdaspeeds, and Ralliarts.

 

By the way, let me add that I like the look of the Cobalt personally, I think GM has improved by leaps and bounds (though a lot of it is just using what the japanese have been doing for years). To have a 4 cyl. car, whether an Evo or a Cobalt that puts these mustang boys and others in their V8's is funny. Anyway, if you get the car you will love it. I opted for the GSR and I would do so again, there's some cheapness to it that the MR isn't as bad about, but right now for me personally, the 5 speed is still what it's all about.