BeaterX round3: carnage, catastrophe, and car pr0n—aka ******* it what now!?
Haha thank you! Mitsubishi actually kinda borked up the tappet order so I'm just going to charge ahead and get as much done as possible this weekend, cams-be-damned. If by some miracle I can get tappet clearances in spec with what I have I will put all of the timing stuff back on and maybe fire it up sunday (I want to wait 24 hours to let the RTV dry after I put the timing cover back on), otherwise it will be maybe monday night....except I gotta work monday night to....FML!
Oh boy what a weekend! Let me just get this out of the way, I was ultimately thwarted by spark plugs. More on that later. After everything else it is just laughable at this point, but *** it! I made so much progress this weekend, I'm just pumped. Had to work friday night so got up saturday, put the heater on in the garage and let it warm up. It was about 15° outside, and by the time I finished, later that night it would be a balmy 8°. Snowed a good 6" the night before so I shoveled for a solid hour too, good way to get the blood pumpin!
...and started unpacking all of the tappets, fully expecting to be fubar'd immediately. To my surprise, one of the ones that was not going to be in until monday was in the bag! I took a whack at putting all of them in, and to my surprise, every valve but two was in spec, and one was only out of spec by .001". I swapped a few tappets around and corrected it, and then voila! Happyness! I cheered with glee!
I decided to torque w/ torque wrench to be sure....soon thereafter I swore the 2nd loudest I ever have in my garage. 107 inch pounds is the spec, I need to get a torque wrench that actually reads that low:
Gezus ***. I then spent a few hours finding a thread repair kit.....only to break another bolt....Rosey and MattD helped me out and ran all over town finding 16 new unstretched bolts to put the cams in with. So yea, nervous time with a drill and carefully covered *everything* on the head, I got things back into happy time funland, and then got the timing chain on
Was a learning experience, but not too much different than doing a timing belt on a 4G63. Probably easier actually, no balance shafts to bother with! Finally after hours of dinking around, timing and valve cover securely in place! Thanks to spaz and lomker for the help!
Damn seems like its ready to fire up? Gah still a ways away. I got back from dinner and headed back into the garage, maybe around 9:30pm? Anna called me to come pick her up from her sister's place, I was shocked to see it was 1am. But, I had the intake manifold and all associated sensors bolted and wired, injectors seated and fuel rail bolted down!
The next morning trevor came to give me a hand. We threw down and put on everything needed to turn the thing over w/ a key & starter and not a wrench and hand IC pipes, fuel lines, intake, ecu, passenger axel, filled all fluids, etc.
I hopped in and primed the motor with spark plugs out and injectors unhooked. She turned over smooth and easy, I was so proud! I hopped out and snapped this pic, the car ready to fire up. All it needed was spark plugs. Wait, spark plugs!??! OMFG! They were in the head when I gave it to DB and probably set aside during the rebuild. Last time I looked, plugs for the X weren't available anywhere but the dealer, boo. I ended up finding some, but won't be able to get them until tomorrow (monday).
Note the spark plug wrench I even got out in preparation to put them in. DOH!
To make matters worse, the coolant pipe that runs under the exhaust manifold that I had *specifically* left attached to the water pump assembly so as to not have to replace the gasket....**** was dripping coolant. Gah! Classic. So instead of losing sleep over all of the problems, I just drained the coolant and dried everything out (yippee had to pull the tstat housing back off too
), put some rtv on the gaskets and put it all back together.
I had been purposefully waiting to put some of the suspension and pass motor mount back on in case of other problems, but I figured what the heck, and basically got the car ready to go. Bumper cover on (no crash beam yet, more problems with my angle grinder), all suspension sorted pretty much everything else. All it needs is coolant, spark plugs, and snow tires
One last thing actually, I can't get the fourth bolt into the turbo from the manifold. It is a tight tight spot and I am just going to risk an exhaust leak for now to get the car running.
Ready to rock
...and started unpacking all of the tappets, fully expecting to be fubar'd immediately. To my surprise, one of the ones that was not going to be in until monday was in the bag! I took a whack at putting all of them in, and to my surprise, every valve but two was in spec, and one was only out of spec by .001". I swapped a few tappets around and corrected it, and then voila! Happyness! I cheered with glee!
I decided to torque w/ torque wrench to be sure....soon thereafter I swore the 2nd loudest I ever have in my garage. 107 inch pounds is the spec, I need to get a torque wrench that actually reads that low:
Gezus ***. I then spent a few hours finding a thread repair kit.....only to break another bolt....Rosey and MattD helped me out and ran all over town finding 16 new unstretched bolts to put the cams in with. So yea, nervous time with a drill and carefully covered *everything* on the head, I got things back into happy time funland, and then got the timing chain on
Was a learning experience, but not too much different than doing a timing belt on a 4G63. Probably easier actually, no balance shafts to bother with! Finally after hours of dinking around, timing and valve cover securely in place! Thanks to spaz and lomker for the help!
Damn seems like its ready to fire up? Gah still a ways away. I got back from dinner and headed back into the garage, maybe around 9:30pm? Anna called me to come pick her up from her sister's place, I was shocked to see it was 1am. But, I had the intake manifold and all associated sensors bolted and wired, injectors seated and fuel rail bolted down!
The next morning trevor came to give me a hand. We threw down and put on everything needed to turn the thing over w/ a key & starter and not a wrench and hand
IC pipes, fuel lines, intake, ecu, passenger axel, filled all fluids, etc.I hopped in and primed the motor with spark plugs out and injectors unhooked. She turned over smooth and easy, I was so proud! I hopped out and snapped this pic, the car ready to fire up. All it needed was spark plugs. Wait, spark plugs!??! OMFG! They were in the head when I gave it to DB and probably set aside during the rebuild. Last time I looked, plugs for the X weren't available anywhere but the dealer, boo. I ended up finding some, but won't be able to get them until tomorrow (monday).
Note the spark plug wrench I even got out in preparation to put them in. DOH!
To make matters worse, the coolant pipe that runs under the exhaust manifold that I had *specifically* left attached to the water pump assembly so as to not have to replace the gasket....**** was dripping coolant. Gah! Classic. So instead of losing sleep over all of the problems, I just drained the coolant and dried everything out (yippee had to pull the tstat housing back off too
), put some rtv on the gaskets and put it all back together.I had been purposefully waiting to put some of the suspension and pass motor mount back on in case of other problems, but I figured what the heck, and basically got the car ready to go. Bumper cover on (no crash beam yet, more problems with my angle grinder), all suspension sorted pretty much everything else. All it needs is coolant, spark plugs, and snow tires
One last thing actually, I can't get the fourth bolt into the turbo from the manifold. It is a tight tight spot and I am just going to risk an exhaust leak for now to get the car running.
Ready to rock
Quick update (ok its long, my bad):
***ing plugs from napa or anywhere else are all listed incorrectly, what a waste of time! Mike Lomker to the rescue again--he loaned me his HKS plugs, gapped nicely at .023.
Got home, put them in, car fires right up, idles for a few seconds, then dies. Every. Single. time. Someone else had this happen recently, I gotta figure out what it is. Someone *cough* TalonEvo *cough* has my tactrix cable so I can't see what the CEL I'm getting is.
Sounds great while running. Had to work and had a job interview so took a few days off from the car.
Pulled apart most ic piping, no rags stuffed anywhere. Also tried hooking up intake right to TB, no does exact same thing.
No CELs, only one was from when I started it with the sensor unplugged.
Reflashed ecu with stock rom, same thing.
Popped off valvecover, liquid gold (oil) everywhere, yay!
Timing is perfect, chain stretch marks are well within spec.
Swapped relays, no luck.
At someone's advice, I poured in a gallon of old gas I had for the lawn mower (bp93 of course!) and it fired up!! I was pumped! The tank was at about 1/3 but I figured sitting open for 6 weeks maybe the fuel hanger problems others have had maybe were finally hitting me. I started to put things back together and i noticed the MAF was unplugged. Surely I had checked that before? Hrmmm. Got it all back together, fired up, died. WTF! Go and unplug the Maf, fires up and purrs like a kitten!
Startup vid (yes I'm a dork):
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Spent the rest of the night bolting the hood back on, oil change, torquing crank pulley, and getting the snow tires down from the attic. I wanna drive the thing so bad but work again just owns me. Fingers crossed on this job I interviewed for yesterday!
Wheels are sitting next to the car, I'll bolt them on and take it out for a spin tonight as soon as I get home from work, hopefully before the snow comes!
Murlo is bringing me his MAF sensor so I can see if that solves my main running problem, also bought some MAF cleaner for mine just in case it can be nursed back to life.
Left to do:
Top off oil
check coolant
mount stock rims w/ snow tires
mount strut-tower bar
Swap in Murlo's MAF (also I bought some maf cleaner for mine)
check exhaust hangers in back (tips look low or something?)
figure out last exhaust manifold/turbo bolt (couldn't get one in, gave up)
Later:
Change oil in wife's GLI, been putting that off
Order new MAF?
OEM spark plugs
Return borrowed parts to murlo, lomker, MAP including interest (beer)
***ing plugs from napa or anywhere else are all listed incorrectly, what a waste of time! Mike Lomker to the rescue again--he loaned me his HKS plugs, gapped nicely at .023.
Got home, put them in, car fires right up, idles for a few seconds, then dies. Every. Single. time. Someone else had this happen recently, I gotta figure out what it is. Someone *cough* TalonEvo *cough* has my tactrix cable so I can't see what the CEL I'm getting is.
Sounds great while running. Had to work and had a job interview so took a few days off from the car.
Pulled apart most ic piping, no rags stuffed anywhere. Also tried hooking up intake right to TB, no does exact same thing.
No CELs, only one was from when I started it with the sensor unplugged.
Reflashed ecu with stock rom, same thing.
Popped off valvecover, liquid gold (oil) everywhere, yay!
Timing is perfect, chain stretch marks are well within spec.
Swapped relays, no luck.
At someone's advice, I poured in a gallon of old gas I had for the lawn mower (bp93 of course!) and it fired up!! I was pumped! The tank was at about 1/3 but I figured sitting open for 6 weeks maybe the fuel hanger problems others have had maybe were finally hitting me. I started to put things back together and i noticed the MAF was unplugged. Surely I had checked that before? Hrmmm. Got it all back together, fired up, died. WTF! Go and unplug the Maf, fires up and purrs like a kitten!
Startup vid (yes I'm a dork):
[youtube]qgiFLefQUlc[/youtube]
Spent the rest of the night bolting the hood back on, oil change, torquing crank pulley, and getting the snow tires down from the attic. I wanna drive the thing so bad but work again just owns me. Fingers crossed on this job I interviewed for yesterday!
Wheels are sitting next to the car, I'll bolt them on and take it out for a spin tonight as soon as I get home from work, hopefully before the snow comes!
Murlo is bringing me his MAF sensor so I can see if that solves my main running problem, also bought some MAF cleaner for mine just in case it can be nursed back to life.
Left to do:
Top off oil
check coolant
mount stock rims w/ snow tires
mount strut-tower bar
Swap in Murlo's MAF (also I bought some maf cleaner for mine)
check exhaust hangers in back (tips look low or something?)
figure out last exhaust manifold/turbo bolt (couldn't get one in, gave up)
Later:
Change oil in wife's GLI, been putting that off
Order new MAF?
OEM spark plugs
Return borrowed parts to murlo, lomker, MAP including interest (beer)
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Kind of an entertaining collorary is that perhaps the way to make an Evo 10 run in 100% SD mode is to unplug the MAF.
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No boost leaks, nor coolant or oil leaks that I can find yet. Tomorrow I think I might unbolt the exhaust manifold from the head and try and get that 4th turbo bolt in and a few other things I need to finish up. For now I'm very very happy I have a running/driving car again, even took my wife for a ride tonight!
Wahoo! Figured it out!!! I had put one thick, main ground just above the starter, when in fact it went below the starter. It was on the block, but the spot I put it on above the starter also held a small bracket (to hold the harness off the starter), and I had put the grounding wire on the outside of that--it must not conduct very well. I moved the ground to the correct spot (the manual actually has diagrammed where each one is), fired it up w/o maf to confirm it was working, then shut it off, plugged in maf, fired it up, voila!
Put my original rom back on there and she idles pretty nice right around 900rpm. I was super excited! Didn't spend the time to futz with it any more tonight, I'll play with it this week after the snow goes away (we got about 15 inches or so).
My back is just wrecked from all the shoveling so that turbo bolt will stay off for now.
Put my original rom back on there and she idles pretty nice right around 900rpm. I was super excited! Didn't spend the time to futz with it any more tonight, I'll play with it this week after the snow goes away (we got about 15 inches or so).
My back is just wrecked from all the shoveling so that turbo bolt will stay off for now.
320 miles on the odometer and I am grinning from ear to ear! No leaks so far, but my fingers are still crossed. The car has jumped right back into DD duty which has served well for doing vacuum pulls, some traffic w/ plenty of stopping/starting to break-in the clutch, and getting miles on the thing.
Off-boost the car feels SO much better than it ever did before, even on the stock turbo. When I first started driving it, anything over about 5psi under 3000rpm would cause the car to buck and backfire; I ended up pulling out some mivec on the intake cam and that seems to be all but gone. These Kelford 214-b's are some of the bigger cams you can get for the X but man they sure idle nice! I can leave the car in 1st gear and idle down my alley w/o any jerking and only sometimes will the car get into a small dance around 900rpm and lop lop lop.
I have boosted to a peak of around 16psi so far and then peddled the throttle to keep it from going higher. The car feels like an animal and just wants to rev rev rev! Even at part throttle 6500rpm comes up in no time in 2nd and 3rd gear.
These miles have been my first experience with this car in the snow. We got like 17" last weekend and another 5" last night and I have to say I am *insanely* impressed with how stable this thing is. The combination of the S-AYC and a little more weight is just seriously impressive when driving at the limit. Any heartbeat/instant that I got that deep 'oh ***' feeling that I got as I careened towards that ditch in my evo8 last spring is immediately followed by pure confidence as the car doesn't want to over-rotate or understeer at all--it seems to know whats right and stay on the trajectory I will it to be on--even if its sliding sideways at 30mph and facing a curb!
I'll put a few more miles on it this week, then the car will be at MAP for a few days while I'm out of town next week--they want to build a heat shield for the rear CAS (to go with their tubular manifold) and maybe try out a few other things.
When I get back I'll do an oil change, compression test, and I'm thinking about pulling the valvecover to double-check the clearances on the valve tappets. There is a slight tick when the car is cold and I want to make sure everything is perfect--then a few more miles and it'll be time for some boost!
Having my car back and being able to drive it is the best xmas present ever.
Off-boost the car feels SO much better than it ever did before, even on the stock turbo. When I first started driving it, anything over about 5psi under 3000rpm would cause the car to buck and backfire; I ended up pulling out some mivec on the intake cam and that seems to be all but gone. These Kelford 214-b's are some of the bigger cams you can get for the X but man they sure idle nice! I can leave the car in 1st gear and idle down my alley w/o any jerking and only sometimes will the car get into a small dance around 900rpm and lop lop lop.
I have boosted to a peak of around 16psi so far and then peddled the throttle to keep it from going higher. The car feels like an animal and just wants to rev rev rev! Even at part throttle 6500rpm comes up in no time in 2nd and 3rd gear.
These miles have been my first experience with this car in the snow. We got like 17" last weekend and another 5" last night and I have to say I am *insanely* impressed with how stable this thing is. The combination of the S-AYC and a little more weight is just seriously impressive when driving at the limit. Any heartbeat/instant that I got that deep 'oh ***' feeling that I got as I careened towards that ditch in my evo8 last spring is immediately followed by pure confidence as the car doesn't want to over-rotate or understeer at all--it seems to know whats right and stay on the trajectory I will it to be on--even if its sliding sideways at 30mph and facing a curb!
I'll put a few more miles on it this week, then the car will be at MAP for a few days while I'm out of town next week--they want to build a heat shield for the rear CAS (to go with their tubular manifold) and maybe try out a few other things.
When I get back I'll do an oil change, compression test, and I'm thinking about pulling the valvecover to double-check the clearances on the valve tappets. There is a slight tick when the car is cold and I want to make sure everything is perfect--then a few more miles and it'll be time for some boost!
Having my car back and being able to drive it is the best xmas present ever.
