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http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p_2011-feature

Virginia International Raceway

1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
14 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
15 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
16 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
17 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
18 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08
19 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
20 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
21 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
22 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
23 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
24 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
25 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
26 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
27 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
36 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
37 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
38 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
39 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
40 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
41 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
42 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
43 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
44 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
45 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
46 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
47 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
48 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
49 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
57 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
58 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
60 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
63 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
71 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
72 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
73 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
78 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
79 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
81 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
82 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
84 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkVI LL2 2/10
85 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
89 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
91 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkV LL1 11/06
92 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC Si COUPE LL1 11/06
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
94 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06

SpeedI2acerX

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am i seeing this right? the evo se is faster then a mustang shelby 500? and also the lexus times on C&D is 3.05 but here its 3:14?

heavyD

That has to make IX owners swallow their pride and hopefully show a little more respect for the new models. The heavy, soft EVO X SE thoroughly beats the lighter, 4G63 powered IX MR. As for Subaru's fastest STI ever the 2011 STI still isn't ready for prime time.

lilgunz

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I am kinda surprised that the Evos are that far down on the list, I would have thought they would have been a little higher, but then again I guess since our cars are not so top speed oriented that probably hurt them a little.

dcpatters

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The Mustang V6 did admirable as well. SmikeEvo should be proud.


I would have expected the Evo to do better though. Oh well.

mrMTB

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Not sure how much stock you can put into any car's position on the list... The results are all over the place (look at the Porsche results - Cayman S turning the same time as a turbo?) or the Lexus IS F turning in the same lap time as an M3. There's a lot of information here, but I think there's too much noise to make meaningful conclusions throughout the list.

bradze

they obviously had ****ing retards get those times. a completely stock GTR can do a 2:02 on that track. "car" magazines **** me off more and more all the time

lilgunz

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and now that I just read through last years thread on last years laps, there are alot of variables that could have played into the times.

migs647

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They are using the full course. I guarantee a GT-R can NOT do 2:02 around the full course at VIR. Few open wheel cars can even do the full course in that time. There are 4 different layouts / courses there.

And yes, I completely agree about car magazines. They hardly do the research required on most the things they write.



BTW: The reason the #'s are all over the place, is because they have been put together over the last 5 years. These were not all done on the same day. So take all of these comparison numbers done on different days with the grain of salt.

lilgunz

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^^ yeah I noticed that about the times being from the past 5 years, should have only put this years cars on the list, unless they were trying to show comparisons. but agreed those mags are pretty much garbage, and agreed that it would be very hard to near impossible to run that fast on the full course.

FJF

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...of course.

Robevo RS

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This is shows only, how much the evo gains just a little tune from factory, even when they make the car heavier...

Noize

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2011 times only pulled out.

1 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
2 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
3 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
4 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
5 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
6 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
7 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
8 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
9 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
10 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
11 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
12 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
13 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
14 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL3 2/11
15 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
16 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
17 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
18 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
19 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
20 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11



As aforementioned, you cannot compare different years. Car & Driver themselves should know better. The M3 will easily best the IS-F. They just keep getting faster and faster every year.

As Robevo said, it's great to see what a better factory tune on the Evo can do. Not so much when comparing older years, but moreso to see how it whips up on the Subarus with less favorable power:weight.

heavyD

Read the article rather than just looking at the numbers. They explain that Lexus revised the suspension and the 2011 IS F handles much sharper than previous editions.

blk-majik

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the X times seem about right. I drove at VIR a few weeks ago on the full course in my X GSR. I had full boltons, but i was on all seasons and it was snowing. I was lapping a little faster than that, but not a whole lot more.