OK. I started reading the first one and it was quickly clear that they were comparing the Mitsu AWD system to that in a Porsche, saying at one point that the Mitsu system is different from all other systems in the world. I didn't see anything about Mitsu and Porsche collaborating, as was previously claimed in this thread. Am I supposed to keep reading and I'll find the evidence of collaboration later or did you misunderstand what I was asking for?

 

this link is not about a collaboration of mitsu and porsche. these are just examples of the best awd system vs the evo. this magazine even had a comparo between the audi rs4 vs porsche carrera 4s and the evolution ix mr fq360 where they said that the evo had the best 4wd system. guess what? it is not in their archive but I have the issue of their magazine to prove it. maybe porsche/VW/Audi tried to suppress the article from being published online but they have released the magazine and I have a copy.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsI1dr-P23I

 

I was referring to this (from page 1):

Seems at first to be a claim that Mitsu and Porsche collaborated on some aspect of the AWD system, which is news to me. However, it then shifts to saying something about transmissions, so I'm really not sure what the claim is. But it piqued my interest.

 

Porsche has its own source and engeneering for awd system. Has nothing to do with the mitsubishi.
Thet are in the VW grupe which includes audi which was the manufacturer who btought the awd system in the auto sport+ won world championships ....

 

You better burn that copy, they'll have mi6 out to get you...they don't want the world to know that the euro car makers were out done by the japs. Especially mitsu. Especially when it was Audi that inspired mitsu to create their awd system.

 

I'll scan the article and post it up here

 

That's what I thought, too. And given that T6 has not returned to defend the claim, I'll just ignore it. Thanks, Rob.

 

Yea sorry it took me a while....

To start with, the twin clutch system was designed by fiat (first) and went through an evolution under many other companies. The PDK was piggy backed from the SST which I cannot blame you if you do not take my word for it as I cannot find that damn article about it in my house nor online. It was a german auto magazine (autobild) that I picked up a couple of years ago that had a special article about Porsche.

As for the AWD system, I quess I am wrong about it but I have read (in the same magazine) was talking about how porsche studied the quattro and awc system and then created their own. Perhaps I was wrong to assume that they "worked" together on this one however, there is a thing called copyright which you dont have to "work" with another company but to get their consent or get sue to ****.

An example is that Lotus... Lotus makes chassis for other companies, ei the GTR chassis is made by lotus, if you see them as a "contractor to nissan for the gtr" then I guess you dont have to consider them "working" together.

I am not trying to flame anyone for knowing or not knowing. Its the internet, wtf is the point of flaming... I am not after epeen but better/reliable information (which is rare as hell).

 

Didn't intend to "flame"; was just very surprised by the claim that Porsche got anything from Mitsu and even more surprised by the suggestion that they ever collaborated.

My understanding is that Porsche got nothing from Mitsu. Porsche had their own twin-clutch long before Mitsu did, as Porsche had one in the 1970s. The new PDK isn't the same as the twin-clutch from the 1970s, but they still didn't get anything from Mitsu. If you want to link the PDK to another system, it would be the DSG, instead.

 

lolwut

 

Actually the evo clutch and tranny (sst) is a europien company , getrag.

 

Yes, it is. Going farther, just about all twin-clutches in production cars are either a Getrag or a Borg-Warner, but even if two makers both use the same one, that's a far cry from the two makers collaborating. I don't speak much German and dislike words with 17 syllables, but I can still image the reaction of the guys at Porsche when it's suggested that they "piggybacked" off something by Mitsu.

 

the only thing that porsche is known for taking from mitsubishi was the "silent shaft, dual shaft, or balanced shaft" that we have now.

http://www.hartech.com.au/hartech_history.html

 

Yeah, good point. That's one place where Mitsu beat Porsche. Porsche actually invented their own balance-shaft system for the 944 but it didn't work as well as Mitsu's. Rather than run their own, sub-optimal, system, Porsche paid Mitsu to use the better one.

But, as in the case of the AWD system, no collaboration occurred. Porsche went head-to-head with Mitsu and lost. They had the grace to admit it, too.