Can I Mod and Still Keep My Warranty Intact?
Oct 11, 2012, 11:45 AM
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Ah i get ya kind of like the WRX, cause they dont feel fast at all, when i test drove one i thought wow, my old RSX and current TC feel faster than this on take off, but once was threw the lag then it showed me why. So i'm guess with 291 crank hp, there is prob like a 45% drop off to each of the 4 wheels in for the whp?
Oct 11, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Ah i get ya kind of like the WRX, cause they dont feel fast at all, when i test drove one i thought wow, my old RSX and current TC feel faster than this on take off, but once was threw the lag then it showed me why. So i'm guess with 291 crank hp, there is prob like a 45% drop off to each of the 4 wheels in for the whp?
Oct 11, 2012, 11:59 AM
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It's a multi part answer with technical, ethical and subjective elements:
- the answer is yes, to the extent that changes to the car don't affect the performance of parts under warranty. There are a number of laws you can review in addition to your warranty language itself. An air freshener is, for example, a mod for which you can rest easy knowing it won't affect the car's warranty
- the answer is no, to the extent that the changes do affect parts or related parts such that they are subject to increased wear or likelihood of failure. So, modifications to your motor that increase torque such that your clutch wears prematurely, or you put on an intake or tune that works the engine components harder, you void the warranty on those parts. Obviously, if you remove those parts after something breaks in a fraudulent attempt to pretend you haven''t voided the warranty you have a moral and (possibly) legal issue.
- the answer is maybe - in that the dealership can apply some discretion and subjectivity as to how they interpret an affect certain modifications may have had on parts or related parts. So, they might say your intake and cams had no affect on your rod failure, or they might say, of course, they did and thus choose or not to cover certain repairs.
There is only one true axiom you can rely upon in connection to your concerns over warranty coverage.
"You have to pay to play" and to expect anything else is foolish.
- the answer is yes, to the extent that changes to the car don't affect the performance of parts under warranty. There are a number of laws you can review in addition to your warranty language itself. An air freshener is, for example, a mod for which you can rest easy knowing it won't affect the car's warranty
- the answer is no, to the extent that the changes do affect parts or related parts such that they are subject to increased wear or likelihood of failure. So, modifications to your motor that increase torque such that your clutch wears prematurely, or you put on an intake or tune that works the engine components harder, you void the warranty on those parts. Obviously, if you remove those parts after something breaks in a fraudulent attempt to pretend you haven''t voided the warranty you have a moral and (possibly) legal issue.
- the answer is maybe - in that the dealership can apply some discretion and subjectivity as to how they interpret an affect certain modifications may have had on parts or related parts. So, they might say your intake and cams had no affect on your rod failure, or they might say, of course, they did and thus choose or not to cover certain repairs.
There is only one true axiom you can rely upon in connection to your concerns over warranty coverage.
"You have to pay to play" and to expect anything else is foolish.
But if you've been out doing snow-donuts for 4 hours and your AYC pump blows, man-up and accept the cost of having a fun hobby.
Oct 11, 2012, 04:28 PM
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Telling people on a car-related web-site to be ethical WRT warranty work is like telling the women on **** sites to put their clothes back on. I'm not saying that you're wrong (in fact, I wholeheartedly agree), but it's a case of preaching to the choir three hours after the service has ended and they're at home watching football.
Oct 11, 2012, 05:50 PM
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Telling people on a car-related web-site to be ethical WRT warranty work is like telling the women on **** sites to put their clothes back on. I'm not saying that you're wrong (in fact, I wholeheartedly agree), but it's a case of preaching to the choir three hours after the service has ended and they're at home watching football.
Agreed, though I'm hoping that not everyone is watching football.
Oct 11, 2012, 06:07 PM
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say 10 evo owners with various mods go in for warranty work. all 10 of these evo owners are at the mercy of the dealerships because technically speaking, you void your warranty every time a part is changed with aftermarket parts. we have no grounds to dispute the refusal. now, if they try to blame your intake for your transmission imploding, then yes, you may have some grounds to dispute but you just made it that much more difficult to claim the damage on your warranty.
i live in s. california where we have about a handful of mitsu dealers (in a 50 mile radius of my location). the ONLY dealer that would even look at my car (it has a testpipe) is huntington mitsu (where smashing happens
). even huntington mitsu told me, they're at the mercy of their regional rep. sometimes they get lucky and is given the green light and other times, they can't.
Oct 11, 2012, 06:23 PM
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You really, really, really need to learn what the federal law is regarding warranty denials.
Here's a half-way decent place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
ps. if you actually understand warranties and just express yourself poorly in writing, apologies for reaming you for the wrong thing.
Oct 11, 2012, 07:12 PM
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Forgive, but you are a regional rep's wet dream, both for what you seem to believe and for saying it in public.
You really, really, really need to learn what the federal law is regarding warranty denials.
Here's a half-way decent place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
ps. if you actually understand warranties and just express yourself poorly in writing, apologies for reaming you for the wrong thing.
You really, really, really need to learn what the federal law is regarding warranty denials.
Here's a half-way decent place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
ps. if you actually understand warranties and just express yourself poorly in writing, apologies for reaming you for the wrong thing.
no worries. i'm not from the US originally so sometimes, i can't transfer my thoughts in writing correctly.
Oct 12, 2012, 07:51 AM
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Telling people on a car-related web-site to be ethical WRT warranty work is like telling the women on **** sites to put their clothes back on. I'm not saying that you're wrong (in fact, I wholeheartedly agree), but it's a case of preaching to the choir three hours after the service has ended and they're at home watching football.
Well, some where out there is someone whom just bought their X and is thinking of modding, and the ethics schpeil might take hold before they go out think about bolting a dry-nitrous kit up to their car.
Oh at least I can hope. I myself took advantage of buying up to the 100k warranty with Mitsu, yet you can see in my mods *most* dealers would give a grim look at covering me. But to me, I bought the warranty for things like AC vents, window regulators, problems with FASTkey and the AYC pump. Obviously a little aspiration mods and a tune isn't going to cause my AYC pump to seize or something. So, I believe the balance of ethics and warranty wtih mods can go hand in hand.
Oct 12, 2012, 08:03 AM
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of course it depends on the dealers. the point ryn and i are trying to make is that generally speaking, its a no. plus, thats one guy you know of. i know many more people who's been denied warranty work just because the car had an intake or exhaust. why?? because they have the legal grounds to do so.
say 10 evo owners with various mods go in for warranty work. all 10 of these evo owners are at the mercy of the dealerships because technically speaking, you void your warranty every time a part is changed with aftermarket parts. we have no grounds to dispute the refusal. now, if they try to blame your intake for your transmission imploding, then yes, you may have some grounds to dispute but you just made it that much more difficult to claim the damage on your warranty.
i live in s. california where we have about a handful of mitsu dealers (in a 50 mile radius of my location). the ONLY dealer that would even look at my car (it has a testpipe) is huntington mitsu (where smashing happens). even huntington mitsu told me, they're at the mercy of their regional rep. sometimes they get lucky and is given the green light and other times, they can't.
say 10 evo owners with various mods go in for warranty work. all 10 of these evo owners are at the mercy of the dealerships because technically speaking, you void your warranty every time a part is changed with aftermarket parts. we have no grounds to dispute the refusal. now, if they try to blame your intake for your transmission imploding, then yes, you may have some grounds to dispute but you just made it that much more difficult to claim the damage on your warranty.
i live in s. california where we have about a handful of mitsu dealers (in a 50 mile radius of my location). the ONLY dealer that would even look at my car (it has a testpipe) is huntington mitsu (where smashing happens
). even huntington mitsu told me, they're at the mercy of their regional rep. sometimes they get lucky and is given the green light and other times, they can't.
Oct 12, 2012, 09:15 AM
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Trust me, when the dealership realized it was something that was happening from the engine, they were leary about how it could go. They had him swap his cat-converter on to the car just in case it had to go through a regional rep. This was how bad it was, but they covered it, and his rental car while the car was down.
to me.