Big issue...
This is good advice. I emphasized a couple of parts and added the blue. No shop is perfect but the best ones want the relationship and will talk to you honestly. You need to trust them too, and work to understand their policies and structure. Trust me, it's not necessarily better if they just capitulate and give you a discount. As nice as a little cost break is, it's better to have a solid relationship with a good shop. It's better to talk about it, work it out and make sure you and the shop feel good about the solution.
I know it sounds like therapy and maybe a lot of hoohaa, but these cars seem to be pretty long term investments wherein, as things go wrong you will need a good shop's best thinking to sort out issues. You really want a good working relationship.
I know it sounds like therapy and maybe a lot of hoohaa, but these cars seem to be pretty long term investments wherein, as things go wrong you will need a good shop's best thinking to sort out issues. You really want a good working relationship.
Honestly, this isnt that bad. The DP SUCKS to put on. $90 for 3 hours isn't bad at all. The fuel pump shouldn't take too long.
$450 for a tune isn't terrible either in my opinion. Tunes usually run from $350-$600 so 450 for a good E85 tune is a pretty good option. If you can't afford it, then save up a couple for months and do it right. Don't cheap out. Like someone else said, another shop that quotes you less to install the DP has prolly never done it before and doesn't know what they are getting in to..
I say either save up, check out Cobb and see what they can do (since you are apparently switching to an AP anyway..), or dump the GF and use that extra money..
GL
$450 for a tune isn't terrible either in my opinion. Tunes usually run from $350-$600 so 450 for a good E85 tune is a pretty good option. If you can't afford it, then save up a couple for months and do it right. Don't cheap out. Like someone else said, another shop that quotes you less to install the DP has prolly never done it before and doesn't know what they are getting in to..
I say either save up, check out Cobb and see what they can do (since you are apparently switching to an AP anyway..), or dump the GF and use that extra money..
GL
OP, I think you overreacted and messed up your relationship with the original shop anyway by airing your grievances publicly. Giving what you said about budget and financial situation, you are on the cutting edge and one bad tank of gas, one failed relay or injector and boom! Can you afford a new clutch, tires and brake pads? Maybe you need to rethink this whole modding thing for now until after college, man.
He currently is on a Opensource tune but was going to switch over to a Cobb . From the different software use there is an applicable $450 initial tune but that fee was going to be waived because he did tell us he was going to bring it in for the parts install . Also the pricing on the installs were very fair and charging an hourly rate , for example 3 hours for the downpipe/O2 housing which is very fair .
I don't think the shop is being unfair and if they were going to charge you 3 hrs to install a full O2 Downpipe at 90.00, that's extremely fair. The other shop might not know what they are in for. I installed my Downpipe myself and it's a pain. A shop can charge what they want the same way you can go somewhere else.
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Time for a new shop, if they want to be crybabies and a**holes then who cares. It is not like you have an exclusive relationship with them aka a gf type! This is a no-brainer, take your money elsewhere!
To be honest if they said that to my face, I would 1st laugh then 2nd get in my car and go. End of story, bad way to do business!
To be honest if they said that to my face, I would 1st laugh then 2nd get in my car and go. End of story, bad way to do business!
OP, I think you overreacted and messed up your relationship with the original shop anyway by airing your grievances publicly. Giving what you said about budget and financial situation, you are on the cutting edge and one bad tank of gas, one failed relay or injector and boom! Can you afford a new clutch, tires and brake pads? Maybe you need to rethink this whole modding thing for now until after college, man.
Personallyhave had zero problems with the shop in question. Fastest and cheapest install for a Evo clutch that i found and worked with me well to get it done fast. That being said, there are plenty of other shops in the area you can go with. Noribilt, Cobb in plano, south side performance, ect. If you don't feel like you are getting the deal you want, call around man.
Hey Jake,
Antonio pointed me to this thread. My first question is why jump on the forum and air out these concerns and questions of yours when I'm easily accessible at the shop? You did stop by the other night correct while I was on the dyno with another car and customer, I still took time to answer the questions you had for me regarding the Cobb AP. I advised you in the proper direction to go about it and explained to you why I would tune the car on the Cobb for the retune rate, and not the initial Cobb Tune fee, since you were going to do the other installations with us. I work with every client who comes through our doors.
You asked me regarding the map switching and that's why you went with the Cobb AP. I let you know right away that map switching was possible with the opensource and you would have been just fine staying that route and not purchasing the AP since I understand you're on a budget. You wanted to continue on with the AP.
So everyone who reads this understands, I am a Cobb pro-tuner and also use opensource. I'm not bias in either direction and advise my customer appropriately on which route to proceed. There are pros and cons in both directions.
If you have any further questions, just give the shop a call and I'll be on the phone right away.
Jorge
Antonio pointed me to this thread. My first question is why jump on the forum and air out these concerns and questions of yours when I'm easily accessible at the shop? You did stop by the other night correct while I was on the dyno with another car and customer, I still took time to answer the questions you had for me regarding the Cobb AP. I advised you in the proper direction to go about it and explained to you why I would tune the car on the Cobb for the retune rate, and not the initial Cobb Tune fee, since you were going to do the other installations with us. I work with every client who comes through our doors.
You asked me regarding the map switching and that's why you went with the Cobb AP. I let you know right away that map switching was possible with the opensource and you would have been just fine staying that route and not purchasing the AP since I understand you're on a budget. You wanted to continue on with the AP.
So everyone who reads this understands, I am a Cobb pro-tuner and also use opensource. I'm not bias in either direction and advise my customer appropriately on which route to proceed. There are pros and cons in both directions.
If you have any further questions, just give the shop a call and I'll be on the phone right away.
Jorge
Hey Jake,
Antonio pointed me to this thread. My first question is why jump on the forum and air out these concerns and questions of yours when I'm easily accessible at the shop? You did stop by the other night correct while I was on the dyno with another car and customer, I still took time to answer the questions you had for me regarding the Cobb AP. I advised you in the proper direction to go about it and explained to you why I would tune the car on the Cobb for the retune rate, and not the initial Cobb Tune fee, since you were going to do the other installations with us. I work with every client who comes through our doors.
You asked me regarding the map switching and that's why you went with the Cobb AP. I let you know right away that map switching was possible with the opensource and you would have been just fine staying that route and not purchasing the AP since I understand you're on a budget. You wanted to continue on with the AP.
So everyone who reads this understands, I am a Cobb pro-tuner and also use opensource. I'm not bias in either direction and advise my customer appropriately on which route to proceed. There are pros and cons in both directions.
If you have any further questions, just give the shop a call and I'll be on the phone right away.
Jorge
Antonio pointed me to this thread. My first question is why jump on the forum and air out these concerns and questions of yours when I'm easily accessible at the shop? You did stop by the other night correct while I was on the dyno with another car and customer, I still took time to answer the questions you had for me regarding the Cobb AP. I advised you in the proper direction to go about it and explained to you why I would tune the car on the Cobb for the retune rate, and not the initial Cobb Tune fee, since you were going to do the other installations with us. I work with every client who comes through our doors.
You asked me regarding the map switching and that's why you went with the Cobb AP. I let you know right away that map switching was possible with the opensource and you would have been just fine staying that route and not purchasing the AP since I understand you're on a budget. You wanted to continue on with the AP.
So everyone who reads this understands, I am a Cobb pro-tuner and also use opensource. I'm not bias in either direction and advise my customer appropriately on which route to proceed. There are pros and cons in both directions.
If you have any further questions, just give the shop a call and I'll be on the phone right away.
Jorge
Seriously, sounds like everyone on the forum has been giving you great suggestions, since before you decided you needed the access port. It also appears the since you were a customer at the shop previously he tried to help you out on the costs a little. But it wasn't just us, it appears Jorge also tried to warn you about how much more expensive it would be to go with the AP.
Give him a call, if it's out of your financial bounds, it sounds you'll just need to wait it out until you have the funds.
Wish both of you the best with this, but it's probably best to take it to a phone call and meet and greet.
^ Fantastic post Jorge.
Seriously, sounds like everyone on the forum has been giving you great suggestions, since before you decided you needed the access port. It also appears the since you were a customer at the shop previously he tried to help you out on the costs a little. But it wasn't just us, it appears Jorge also tried to warn you about how much more expensive it would be to go with the AP.
Give him a call, if it's out of your financial bounds, it sounds you'll just need to wait it out until you have the funds.
Wish both of you the best with this, but it's probably best to take it to a phone call and meet and greet.
Seriously, sounds like everyone on the forum has been giving you great suggestions, since before you decided you needed the access port. It also appears the since you were a customer at the shop previously he tried to help you out on the costs a little. But it wasn't just us, it appears Jorge also tried to warn you about how much more expensive it would be to go with the AP.
Give him a call, if it's out of your financial bounds, it sounds you'll just need to wait it out until you have the funds.
Wish both of you the best with this, but it's probably best to take it to a phone call and meet and greet.
Even back when you were still thinking about going with an AP, *I* suggested there would be additional fees other than just buying an AP and an E85 map like you were suggesting earlier in the thread. (This thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/10596857-post9.html )
I mentioned you would buy buying an AP (and guessed an average used price for one), and mentioned you'd be buying maps for Prem and E85 as new maps because it's not like your tuner can just "copy-paste" them from OS to the Cobb software. I was guessing the costs were going to be higher and I didn't even know what shop you were planning on using.
That was my point in my previous point. Many of us suggested additional costs to you, and also pointed out Tephra-mod on your OS could get you want you wanted.
Jorge had a lot of room to act like some other shops do when they see a thread pop-up like this, but he handed his post carefully, and sounds really reasonable. Rather than get the E85 tune at first, just use the money for paying for the 93oct tune with the bigger injectors
I mentioned you would buy buying an AP (and guessed an average used price for one), and mentioned you'd be buying maps for Prem and E85 as new maps because it's not like your tuner can just "copy-paste" them from OS to the Cobb software. I was guessing the costs were going to be higher and I didn't even know what shop you were planning on using.
That was my point in my previous point. Many of us suggested additional costs to you, and also pointed out Tephra-mod on your OS could get you want you wanted.
Jorge had a lot of room to act like some other shops do when they see a thread pop-up like this, but he handed his post carefully, and sounds really reasonable. Rather than get the E85 tune at first, just use the money for paying for the 93oct tune with the bigger injectors