I have heard all the good things about motion control suspension coilover (MCS). People told me its a step beyond Ohlin R/T. Just wondering anyone ever tried these MCS? Please let us know how you think about them.

 

MCS are top of the line shocks. As far as I know, the company used to me called MOTON and used to be one of the best options in the street/track and racing market. MAny of the engineers formed a new company called MCS and they seem to be dominating the racing market right now. A bunch of my buddies race E46 M3s in the NASA GTS series and all run MCS double and or triple adjustables and love them. They do seem to be overkill for the street however.

 

Thanks for your input. I autocross every month each year and also daily drive my car. Do you know whether MCS lasts? How often do I need a rebuild if daily driving them?

 

that is an over statement for sure.

But regardless as i heard is a good option, i never had an experience with them. In fact i cant recall if i ever run into one in person. I heard them over the net so far, but good reviews only.

 

I purchased a set of MCS remote 2 way adjustable coilovers.

The rumors are true, the gentlemen who started MCS first started MOTON, then started JRZ, and then left those companies to start MCS.

Why is MCS superior to JRZ and Moton? One of those is related to their damping philosophy which emphasizes low speed compression. They have the best 3 way on the market as it allows you to adjust both high and low speed compression (which is most usefull) where as every other 3 way in the world only allows you to adjust low speed compression, or does both at the same time without the ability to discriminate.

Eitherway, i'm competing in NASA this year in TT3 on these coils and some 335 slicks. I'll be doing a full writeup of the build and these new parts as i believe i'm the first in the evo world to run both MCS and 335 slicks.

Stay posted, my friends.

 

Hey Hispanic... Did I miss the review somewhere? Im thinking about the MCS 2 way and would love to hear what you think about them. From the many posts I've read of yours we seem to have the same mindset in terms of modding. For me they would be primarily used for AutoX on Hoosiers in ASP with trackdays thrown in for fun (no DD.)

 

I run MCS 1 ways, MCS rear pillow ball mounts, Vorshlag front camber plates, and Hyperco springs. I went with MCS because they are based in the US (so quick turn around on rebuilds) and have great customer service. Best money I have spent on my evo, hands down. http://www.vorshlag.com/shocks.php

If you ever come up to the Olympic Peninsula I will take you for a drive and you can check them out.

 

Yeah, life is crazy to say the least and the car is nowhere near where it needs to be right now in terms of dialing it in. So needless to say, i haven't taken the moment to write a review, but i can say these coilovers are amazing. At 800 in/lb on all 4 corners, the suspension is more compliant than the KW's i had which were nearly half the spring rate. My first track outing on them, with smaller less sticky tires, and i shaved about 2 seconds off my personal best at a local track. Sure, the spring rate has something to do with it, but the car is so damn compliant i can push the car harder. On KW's bumpy high speed zones were tricky and i'd often loose time if i tried to push it. On these dampers, its just like butter. I'd highly recommend these for any sort of legitimate competition, and even those who are just looking for a bit more of a VIP type of soft ride. If you turn down the damping its just so plush!

 

So I'm finally ready to pull the trigger and received a quote from Vorschlag. In it they brought two things to my attention that I didnt know about. First of which are "assist springs" and secondly "rear spherical top mounts."
Are the assist springs worth the added $360? From what I can tell they assist in preventing 3-wheeling... havent found any third-party data on the web, what do you guys think/know?
As for the rear spherical top mount, how beneficial are those?
I ask these questions because I received a quote from another very reputable company who didnt include these in their quote which makes me wonder.

Side Q: What brand springs did you guys go with? I was quoted with Swift, Eibach and Hyperco.

 

1) The assist springs were kinda my idea back when I purchased the MCS coils from Vorshlag. I had a long talk with Jason at Vorshlag and he agreed with my direction. I have the stiffest springs available by swift which are 6kg/mm and provide an additional 1.6 inches of droop travel. They do two things really, maximize mechanical grip through additional droop travel which is necessary in my opinion on very stiff springs, and they also smooth out the suspension over bumps. They key is having them fully compressed at static ride height, but when traveling over bumps and dips, your spring rate will be much lower than your main spring. I love my dual spring setup and can honestly say its one of the key factors in helping me maximize my mechanical grip.

2) Rear spherical mounts are absolutely necessary if you're going over 10kg/mm springs. I tried one event with my 800 in/lb springs on the stock mounts and they were a bit squishy. Back when I first got my MCS coils, no one in the world made spherical rear mounts that would fit MCS's larger shaft diameter. MCS has since decided to offer something off the shelf, which is nice cause I ended up making my own rear top mount and of course i'm still trying to address some squeakiness in the mounts.

3) I used hyperco springs. They're on par with swift but less expensive. You can also bottom out hyperco springs without damaging the spring where as with swifts, once you bottom out the spring it no longer returns to full length or looses some of its rate.

Weather or not you choose any of these upgrades i'd say is dependant on your use and your spring rates.... so which rates are you choosing? The items Vorshlag is recommending is likely because of the lessons we learned with my car. They definitely know what they're talking about on this one. One thing I will say though, they recommended I stay with square rates on my evo..... Experimentation with rates so far is telling me that Ryan Gates was on to something when his rear springs were 200 in/lb stiffer than the front. I'm currently at 800/900. I need to replace the rest of my rear bushings with sphericals because the stock bushings are worn out and have too much play after 2 seasons of racing. Once I that all that sorted out, I need to decide if my slicks can handle 1000in/lb in the rear or if I should reduce the front rates to 700 in/lb. 700/900 is what Gates had on 'Ol Blue, but that car was also 500 lbs lighter than mine, had a cage, and was running nt01's. I'm running hoosiers, weigh 500 lbs heavier, no cage, and have a little bit of aero.

 

Thanks for the reply!

Just got off the phone with Jason... Seems like he is giving me your exact set-up (except I'm going non-remote 2 way) Haha!! He has me on 800/800lbs. He did mention that if I wanted to cut back I could get away with not doing the assist springs in the front and probably without the spherical mount in the rear. As he was saying this I was thinking that if I'm already going north of $4K why skimp now.

I told him that the car will be primarily used for autoX with track days thrown in for fun and no daily driving. He mentioned that 800/800 worked well for that and that I'd just need to back off the rear sway bar for track days. Ill be running 295 A7's for Autox and 275 R7's for track. Do you think I should increase rear spring rate? or maybe reduce front?

 

That's something you're going to have to feel out. I"m not done dialing in my setup so i can't reccomend anything in confidence, other than having a rear bias in spring rate is the way to go. He's right in that you can probably get away without the helper springs up front. Of course if you're attacking kerbs it would be necessary, but since your trackdays aren't the main focus then you could easily save a few bucks right there. I'd def say get the rear spherical top hats though. If you're autocrossing, i'd venture to say you should experiment with 700 in/lbs up front if you feel like switching from 800/800. I've always been a fan of compliant setups and find its easier to go fast when you're softer than it is to go fast when you're harder. But again, this is something you'll have to explore..... i can't really give a recommendation yet.

 

Alright.... ordered!!

Jason talked me into staying with the 800/800 set-up. He was telling me something about the spring rate of the A7 tire in a 295 and that any more will essentially reduce performance of the suspension/tire. I did mention you and he said... and I paraphrase "yeah but he is running a HUGE tire!" Haha! He did say that I should be running my rear bar at the softest setting (currently on the hardest and love it) and adjust from there as needed...make sense to me. Anyway I hope he is right... we'll see. Thank for your help and input!

 

What rear top mounts did you go with? MCS can make you a set (even though they are not listed on their website).

 

Yup... went for the whole shabang. Top hats, helper springs, camber plates and all. CANT wait till they arrive... so pumped!