WW Evo X SE...wing or no wing?
wingless here. with rexspeed duckbill spoiler. I did it because I did not like the additional attention of police and other people trying to race.
trading is the easiest, i happened to find a local seller with a painted oem lancer trunklid wingless which I picked up for cheap.
trading is the easiest, i happened to find a local seller with a painted oem lancer trunklid wingless which I picked up for cheap.
Warrior... my thoughts: For the signature "Evo look" the CF wing is probably the way to go. I just purchased a 2010 Evo X SE and was debating the same question in my own mind.
However, I have decided against the wing for a few reasons--I'll explain below.
I completely agree that the stock SE looks a little plain/bald back there. So I am thinking seriously about installing a Seibon CF Vortex generator (i.e. roof fin) - ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT, PRO OR CON?
I think the roof fin adds a little aggressiveness to the look (like a shark fin), is functional, easy to install or uninstall, and is still quite subtle. It says 'sporty' without a large blinking signpost (or wingpost as the case may be).
As for the CF wing, I've decided it isn't my taste... I remember in the 70's when aftermarket parts were starting to take off, and every 18 year old with some pocket change was strapping on all kinds of wings and fins and stuff. I still cringe a little to think about that--it really cheapened the look -- you kind of expect someone with a mullet to get out of the car.
OK, now that I've probably stepped on a lot of toes. I would repeat that in today's world, the Evo is probably one of the very few cars that can pull off a wing and still maintain its respect. So wing or wingless, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
However, I have decided against the wing for a few reasons--I'll explain below.
I completely agree that the stock SE looks a little plain/bald back there. So I am thinking seriously about installing a Seibon CF Vortex generator (i.e. roof fin) - ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT, PRO OR CON?
I think the roof fin adds a little aggressiveness to the look (like a shark fin), is functional, easy to install or uninstall, and is still quite subtle. It says 'sporty' without a large blinking signpost (or wingpost as the case may be).
As for the CF wing, I've decided it isn't my taste... I remember in the 70's when aftermarket parts were starting to take off, and every 18 year old with some pocket change was strapping on all kinds of wings and fins and stuff. I still cringe a little to think about that--it really cheapened the look -- you kind of expect someone with a mullet to get out of the car.
OK, now that I've probably stepped on a lot of toes. I would repeat that in today's world, the Evo is probably one of the very few cars that can pull off a wing and still maintain its respect. So wing or wingless, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Last edited by Summit1; Feb 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM.
Warrior... my thoughts: For the signature "Evo look" the CF wing is probably the way to go. I just purchased a 2010 Evo X SE and was debating the same question in my own mind.
However, I have decided against the wing for a few reasons--I'll explain below.
I completely agree that the stock SE looks a little plain/bald back there. So I am thinking seriously about installing a Seibon CF Vortex generator (i.e. roof fin) - ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT, PRO OR CON?
I think the roof fin adds a little aggressiveness to the look (like a shark fin), is functional, easy to install or uninstall, and is still quite subtle. It says 'sporty' without a large blinking signpost (or wingpost as the case may be).
As for the CF wing, I've decided it isn't my taste... I remember in the 70's when aftermarket parts were starting to take off, and every 18 year old with some pocket change was strapping on all kinds of wings and fins and stuff. I still cringe a little to think about that--it really cheapened the look -- you kind of expect someone with a mullet to get out of the car.
OK, now that I've probably stepped on a lot of toes. I would repeat that in today's world, the Evo is probably one of the very few cars that can pull off a wing and still maintain its respect. So wing or wingless, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
However, I have decided against the wing for a few reasons--I'll explain below.
I completely agree that the stock SE looks a little plain/bald back there. So I am thinking seriously about installing a Seibon CF Vortex generator (i.e. roof fin) - ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT, PRO OR CON?
I think the roof fin adds a little aggressiveness to the look (like a shark fin), is functional, easy to install or uninstall, and is still quite subtle. It says 'sporty' without a large blinking signpost (or wingpost as the case may be).
As for the CF wing, I've decided it isn't my taste... I remember in the 70's when aftermarket parts were starting to take off, and every 18 year old with some pocket change was strapping on all kinds of wings and fins and stuff. I still cringe a little to think about that--it really cheapened the look -- you kind of expect someone with a mullet to get out of the car.
OK, now that I've probably stepped on a lot of toes. I would repeat that in today's world, the Evo is probably one of the very few cars that can pull off a wing and still maintain its respect. So wing or wingless, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Based on my understanding of how the VG works in conjunction with the wing, I realize it's not functionally correct on a wingless car. Just curious how it would look.
<<Based on my understanding of how the VG works in conjunction with the wing, I realize it's not functionally correct on a wingless car. Just curious how it would look. >>
I read the mitsubishi study of VGs, but don't see why they would not be used independently of a spoiler. Granted, the first tool you would normally reach for would be the spoiler. However, even if the VG is used alone, they still control separation of airflow above the car's rear window and improve the aerodynamic characteristics.
Another thing which crossed my mind -- I had a high performance bmw for 15 years--during which I put many miles on it at in excess of 100mph. As the air came over the back window it tended to create a tumbling/swirling impact as it comes off the back of the car. Over time, I found this actually did a number on the clearcoat finish -- swirl-shaped scratching. I suspect the VG may reduce this effect, not that it would matter to most people.
I read the mitsubishi study of VGs, but don't see why they would not be used independently of a spoiler. Granted, the first tool you would normally reach for would be the spoiler. However, even if the VG is used alone, they still control separation of airflow above the car's rear window and improve the aerodynamic characteristics.
Another thing which crossed my mind -- I had a high performance bmw for 15 years--during which I put many miles on it at in excess of 100mph. As the air came over the back window it tended to create a tumbling/swirling impact as it comes off the back of the car. Over time, I found this actually did a number on the clearcoat finish -- swirl-shaped scratching. I suspect the VG may reduce this effect, not that it would matter to most people.
i have a ww with the standard lower wing, and was interested in switching to the SE lip. does anyone know if you switch from wing to lip do you have to plug up the holes on the trunk or does the lip cover them and use the same holes?
One of the reasons I opted for the SE was because it didn't have a huge wing on it. I just think, regardless that it is somewhat functional and the Evo has a history of large rear wings, it just simply looks a bit juvenile.
If you exceed 100mph often, you should probably get one.
To each their own.
If you exceed 100mph often, you should probably get one.
To each their own.
I read the mitsubishi study of VGs, but don't see why they would not be used independently of a spoiler. Granted, the first tool you would normally reach for would be the spoiler. However, even if the VG is used alone, they still control separation of airflow above the car's rear window and improve the aerodynamic characteristics.
Another thing which crossed my mind -- I had a high performance bmw for 15 years--during which I put many miles on it at in excess of 100mph. As the air came over the back window it tended to create a tumbling/swirling impact as it comes off the back of the car. Over time, I found this actually did a number on the clearcoat finish -- swirl-shaped scratching. I suspect the VG may reduce this effect, not that it would matter to most people.
Another thing which crossed my mind -- I had a high performance bmw for 15 years--during which I put many miles on it at in excess of 100mph. As the air came over the back window it tended to create a tumbling/swirling impact as it comes off the back of the car. Over time, I found this actually did a number on the clearcoat finish -- swirl-shaped scratching. I suspect the VG may reduce this effect, not that it would matter to most people.
It seems that the only possible snag is that the design, shape, and location of the VG's are somewhat important. My only question would be if any of this is taken into consideration in the production of aftermarket VG units.
Sorry if this is too far off-topic for this thread.
oem VG... group buy?
the mitsubishi oem VG was designed based on detailed engineering analysis. i think the only critical variable was the shape of the fin (delta shaped), height was somewhat less important.
with that said, after reading about all the fitment issues with other suppliers, i'm inclined to go with the OEM VG, which is priced at about $300 + S&H... they've come down in price so they are only $30-50 above other CF VGs. Considering that you may need a body shop to get the fit right on some of the others, it's probably worth the extra $$.
if anyone else is interested, i would consider organizing a group buy.
here's a pic of the oem (notice the fin shape and size -- not as pronounced as other aftermarket suppliers):

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with that said, after reading about all the fitment issues with other suppliers, i'm inclined to go with the OEM VG, which is priced at about $300 + S&H... they've come down in price so they are only $30-50 above other CF VGs. Considering that you may need a body shop to get the fit right on some of the others, it's probably worth the extra $$.
if anyone else is interested, i would consider organizing a group buy.
here's a pic of the oem (notice the fin shape and size -- not as pronounced as other aftermarket suppliers):

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Last edited by Summit1; Feb 12, 2011 at 06:14 AM.






