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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 06:49 AM
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I wonder whether this siping, cutting into the tread, decreases the number of total miles a tire can get due to increased tire temperatures under dry conditions?

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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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I've run siped tires for a few years now and can can tell you they wear pretty well. I would also say that dry traction is a little less but I have 3 sets of rims and 4 sets of tires and the fact is it's all a trade off.

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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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The BFG KDW2's perform nicely in the rain. My brother has ran them on several of his cars and I've driven them all at times. They have a wicked looking tread pattern too
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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Along these same lines, Mitsu for 09 has changed from Yoko to Dunlop the consequences of which are beneficial for us 08 X'ers down the road. See my post for details:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=378722&page=3

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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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rain tires = anything that isn't a slick
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,

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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by billy_06EVOIX
The BFG KDW2's perform nicely in the rain. My brother has ran them on several of his cars and I've driven them all at times. They have a wicked looking tread pattern too
Yeah, these tires (Ultra High Performance) are definitely a contender and are quite similar to the Yoko s-drive with similar speed and load rating as 08 OEM (93Y) with wear rating of 300 AAA (UTQG). At $179 per tire, they are also slightly less than the 09 OEM Dunlop SP 600 but considerably below the Yoko a13c (08 OEM) of $320!

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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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Alot of Autocrossers use the Kumho SPT (inexpensive) or Toyo R1R (expensive) in the rain.
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Old Dec 7, 2008 | 01:05 AM
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I hear what you are saying but the fact remains that the OP wanted an equivalent or better rain tire than OEM. Now TireRack has stated via their definition that Extreme Performance tires like the Direzza Sport Z1 compromise wet traction whereas Maximum performance tires are "unsurpassed in wet and dry". Now I am assuming that this means wet performance is superior to the latter relative to the former.
Now to your point of dry traction. Traction on dry surfaces is related to the UTQG rating. I think it is measure of/related to the softness of the tire surface. The lower the number, the softer the tire and presumably better traction. The Direzza has UTQG value of <b>200</b> while the OEM Yoko <b>180</b>. So from this rating difference, albeit our 20 points again, the Yoko is softer and, therefore, should grip better than the Direzza; at worst, it is equivalent. That is, the dry traction may be the same for these two tires so you are not necessarily "stepping down" when going to Ultra high performance tire. At this point you may say, "But the tread design is also important to the traction". I totally agree and we, the consumer, get a picture of the tread pattern from the manufacturer as the only measure of this important aspect of a tire. In short, this information is qualitative and completely inconsistent and uninterpretable relative to the quantitative parameters (like UTQG) supplied for each tire. Given these problems and the inability to test all tires both within and between the classes defined by TireRack/tire industry on the same vehicle with the same driver, it is very difficult to say this tire is better than that one. We are all stabbing in the dark when trying to decide on tires and IMHO this is exactly where the tire companies want us: confused and vulnerable to their hype.

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when you say 200, and 180 is that the thread wear rating on the tire???
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jebus27
when you say 200, and 180 is that the thread wear rating on the tire???
Yes. The first number is the treadware rating, the second, traction and third the propensity of the tire to heat up. But consult TireRack's discussion on these ratings for there are some some significant caveats to note.

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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 05:40 AM
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Toyo T1-R
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:00 AM
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i have the Z1 Starspec and they are great in the rain
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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I run Dunlop Dizerra on an Integra and they ride fine in the rain so the star spec would seem to be a good option.
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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KPerez
Yes. The first number is the treadware rating, the second, traction and third the propensity of the tire to heat up. But consult TireRack's discussion on these ratings for there are some some significant caveats to note.

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i was told by a michelin rep. that the threadware rating only applies to that company, and that i couldnt compare michelin's 200 threadware rating to dunlops 200 threadware rating, ...
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jebus27
i was told by a michelin rep. that the threadware rating only applies to that company, and that i couldnt compare michelin's 200 threadware rating to dunlops 200 threadware rating, ...
Yes, that is why I suggested you read the "caveats" in the TireRack. Therein they make this distinction but they also point out that ratings are subject to inspection and if off they are subject to fine. So while it is not totally legitamit to compare, it is in each vendors interest to be "in the ball park" of each other.

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