What's wrong with slamming an Evo X?
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How unfortunate...
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Love the E92, man. I have seen some very, very good looking X's so I'm sure you can pull off the look that you are going for. As for your statement about destroying front lips, it is painful to look at the gash in my CF lip on my VIII. Lol
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OP: IMO, slamming an evo is just as bad as slamming any other car. The thing is, the evo is a suspension oriented car. Some people get sensitive when they see someone spend all that money on the evo and then junk the best part of the car.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking!
^^ This says it all!
OP: IMO, slamming an evo is just as bad as slamming any other car. The thing is, the evo is a suspension oriented car. Some people get sensitive when they see someone spend all that money on the evo and then junk the best part of the car.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
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Umm, the OP posted the thread this way: "What is wrong with slamming an Evo X?" So, the supposition is that he knows that there is something wrong with it, otherwise, why would he have stated the question the way he did? By asking the question, people here have been giving him honest and straightforward answers and have warned him of the deleterious effects that slamming can do to a suspension and handling. Had the OP said, "Please help me slam my car", he would of undoubtedly elicited different responses. And yes, it is the OP's car, but why in God's green earth would anyone want to destroy the handling of an Evo? Oh wait, I know, he wants to be ballin' and look all gangsta' while teenyboppers smile at him.
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Exactly. In short, by 'slamming' the car you are moving the suspension too far from it's designed operating point. When 'slammed', the roll center ends up far away from the center of mass. The roll center is a virtual geometric point determined by the suspension geometry that forms a virtual moment arm, the size of which determines how much the vehicle rolls when cornering.
In other words, by 'slamming' the car you are making it more prone to body roll in the corners. It's counter-intuitive to a lot of people, but the effect is absolutely real.
But it gets worse. The roll center isn't a static point, because your suspension geometry changes as the body rolls. Your roll center, in turn, will move as the suspension geometry changes. This moving roll center and the static center of mass combined with cornering forces determine the body roll and load transfer at the tires. When slammed, the roll center can move all over the place as the suspension loads and unloads, which means the virtual moment arm which determines your body roll is actually changing wildly while the car is settling into a turn. Think of it like the car trying to find steady-state cornering and suspension loading, when the steady-state cornering keeps changing wildly as the car tries to settle into it. It makes for an unstable car with poor turn-in.
In short: Slamming the Evo is one of the single worst things you can do for the handling of the car. It's not about scraping your exhaust or subframe on the pavement, and it's not about the forum not liking how it looks. It's just a terrible thing to do to an otherwise pretty good suspension geometry. Much like unreasonably loud exhausts and cheap body kits, it makes a statement to those in the know that you care entirely about form over function. The Evo isn't the only platform that has this issue, by the way.
In other words, by 'slamming' the car you are making it more prone to body roll in the corners. It's counter-intuitive to a lot of people, but the effect is absolutely real.
But it gets worse. The roll center isn't a static point, because your suspension geometry changes as the body rolls. Your roll center, in turn, will move as the suspension geometry changes. This moving roll center and the static center of mass combined with cornering forces determine the body roll and load transfer at the tires. When slammed, the roll center can move all over the place as the suspension loads and unloads, which means the virtual moment arm which determines your body roll is actually changing wildly while the car is settling into a turn. Think of it like the car trying to find steady-state cornering and suspension loading, when the steady-state cornering keeps changing wildly as the car tries to settle into it. It makes for an unstable car with poor turn-in.
In short: Slamming the Evo is one of the single worst things you can do for the handling of the car. It's not about scraping your exhaust or subframe on the pavement, and it's not about the forum not liking how it looks. It's just a terrible thing to do to an otherwise pretty good suspension geometry. Much like unreasonably loud exhausts and cheap body kits, it makes a statement to those in the know that you care entirely about form over function. The Evo isn't the only platform that has this issue, by the way.
RCK = essential even when lowering the least amount possible.
thanks man.
ps. dude. don't "slam" your car.
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What if there's a pebble on the pavement?
Buy a performance car, delete its performance for some inane idea of appearance, then brag about that same performance while slowing down for every ripple in the asphalt, all the while discussing speed as a determinate. Remind me which word in the English language best describes such an individual.
Buy a performance car, delete its performance for some inane idea of appearance, then brag about that same performance while slowing down for every ripple in the asphalt, all the while discussing speed as a determinate. Remind me which word in the English language best describes such an individual.
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P.S. I had my flame suit on before I decided to post. I'm not the sensitive type, if I was I wouldn't have posted.
Yes, I did ask what was wrong with it, and got a bunch of honest answers. That is all I wanted, and I'm glad for each and every response. I know a lot of you despise me and my style, that's okay with me!
Yes, I did ask what was wrong with it, and got a bunch of honest answers. That is all I wanted, and I'm glad for each and every response. I know a lot of you despise me and my style, that's okay with me!
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Umm, the OP posted the thread this way: "What is wrong with slamming an Evo X?" So, the supposition is that he knows that there is something wrong with it, otherwise, why would he have stated the question the way he did? By asking the question, people here have been giving him honest and straightforward answers and have warned him of the deleterious effects that slamming can do to a suspension and handling. Had the OP said, "Please help me slam my car", he would of undoubtedly elicited different responses. And yes, it is the OP's car, but why in God's green earth would anyone want to destroy the handling of an Evo? Oh wait, I know, he wants to be ballin' and look all gangsta' while teenyboppers smile at him.
OP: IMO, slamming an evo is just as bad as slamming any other car. The thing is, the evo is a suspension oriented car. Some people get sensitive when they see someone spend all that money on the evo and then junk the best part of the car.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
It's like buying a blue-ray player and plugging it into a standard definition TV.
P.S. I had my flame suit on before I decided to post. I'm not the sensitive type, if I was I wouldn't have posted.
Yes, I did ask what was wrong with it, and got a bunch of honest answers. That is all I wanted, and I'm glad for each and every response. I know a lot of you despise me and my style, that's okay with me!
Yes, I did ask what was wrong with it, and got a bunch of honest answers. That is all I wanted, and I'm glad for each and every response. I know a lot of you despise me and my style, that's okay with me!
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I think you should do it if you like it. Who cares what anyone else thinks, are they the ones buying your parts?
Also the Evo, while a very good handling car does not handle as well as everyone makes it out. It is just the nutswingers who have never driven anything better and think the Evo is the greatest car in the world....You can thank Top Gear for that one...
I had problems with the way my car handled a few months ago, but had it recently setup by one of the best shops around me. Yes, way better than most cars, but I can name a few cars I've personally driven that put it to shame, even in their stock form. Granted I would never slam my Evo, because I bought it to drive like a madman.
That being said, if he wants to drive around and look cool all slammed and what not, then by all means do it. Some people don't drive like lunatics on the public roadway anyways, so the Evo's handling capabilities are more than enough....Even with its geometery out of wack.
Also the Evo, while a very good handling car does not handle as well as everyone makes it out. It is just the nutswingers who have never driven anything better and think the Evo is the greatest car in the world....You can thank Top Gear for that one...
I had problems with the way my car handled a few months ago, but had it recently setup by one of the best shops around me. Yes, way better than most cars, but I can name a few cars I've personally driven that put it to shame, even in their stock form. Granted I would never slam my Evo, because I bought it to drive like a madman.
That being said, if he wants to drive around and look cool all slammed and what not, then by all means do it. Some people don't drive like lunatics on the public roadway anyways, so the Evo's handling capabilities are more than enough....Even with its geometery out of wack.
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OP, I came from the Euro scene as well, here was my A4 (it was actually lower than this, I took this when I was dialing it in)...
Anyway, I completely understand why you want to go low, but let me tell you, as soon as I test drove my Evo X there's nothing I loved more than the way the car handled. I knew I never wanted to take that away from the car so I stayed far away from slamming it. I got eibach springs so it didn't look like a 4x4 but the handling is still amazing.
I have 400+whp and I obviously can't use that all the time driving through the city, but what I do feel all the time is the way the car drives and handles, and that's what keeps me in love and keeps a smile on my face.
My advice; test drive one, see how well it handles and if you still wanna slam it then go for it!
Anyway, I completely understand why you want to go low, but let me tell you, as soon as I test drove my Evo X there's nothing I loved more than the way the car handled. I knew I never wanted to take that away from the car so I stayed far away from slamming it. I got eibach springs so it didn't look like a 4x4 but the handling is still amazing.
I have 400+whp and I obviously can't use that all the time driving through the city, but what I do feel all the time is the way the car drives and handles, and that's what keeps me in love and keeps a smile on my face.
My advice; test drive one, see how well it handles and if you still wanna slam it then go for it!
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OP, I came from the Euro scene as well, here was my A4 (it was actually lower than this, I took this when I was dialing it in)...
Anyway, I completely understand why you want to go low, but let me tell you, as soon as I test drove my Evo X there's nothing I loved more than the way the car handled. I knew I never wanted to take that away from the car so I stayed far away from slamming it. I got eibach springs so it didn't look like a 4x4 but the handling is still amazing.
I have 400+whp and I obviously can't use that all the time driving through the city, but what I do feel all the time is the way the car drives and handles, and that's what keeps me in love and keeps a smile on my face.
My advice; test drive one, see how well it handles and if you still wanna slam it then go for it!
Anyway, I completely understand why you want to go low, but let me tell you, as soon as I test drove my Evo X there's nothing I loved more than the way the car handled. I knew I never wanted to take that away from the car so I stayed far away from slamming it. I got eibach springs so it didn't look like a 4x4 but the handling is still amazing.
I have 400+whp and I obviously can't use that all the time driving through the city, but what I do feel all the time is the way the car drives and handles, and that's what keeps me in love and keeps a smile on my face.
My advice; test drive one, see how well it handles and if you still wanna slam it then go for it!