for the billionth time

anyone who thinks the NT05 is a really good tire hasn't driven an RS3 / Star Spec. The NT05's were such a waste of money, even if they were cheaper. They lasted nothing, had terrible grip when cold, mediocre when (finally) warmed up, and terrible tread life.

get RS3's / Star Spec's, or just go budget friendly v12's or something similar (not familar nor do I care much for tires in this category, just hear v12's are good)

I'm sorry, I tried to be optimistic about the NT05 and defend it's strengths, but they really are a very mediocre tire

 

i haven't tried any other tires on my evo except the stock advan and the nt05. from comparing the two, i'd go with the nt05.

this guy obvious has tried both nt05 and rs3 so i would go with his recommendation but why are you throwing the v12 in to the mix?? the v12's are horrible tires. sidewalls on the v12's are made of black marshmallows.

 

budget friendly as in cheap, long lasting tires with "decent" grip (most owners tell me they've been getting around 30- almost 40k on a set)

no, they are not in the same category. that is completely obvious and we already just went over this in 2 threads

 

A Kumho Ecsta XS is only $30 more per tire than a V12 and the Ecsta LE is the same price as a V12. There is really no excuse for buying V12s, IMO. And I'm not just a 'Kook hater. The R-S3 is fantastic. This is just a case of a otherwise good manufacturer making a lousy tire.

 

FWIW, I got ~10K from my first set of V12s. Granted, I'm pretty hard on tires. The V12s are certainly not in the same category as the Star Specs or the RS-3. No way, no how. This being said, for the life of me, I cannot conceive how anyone could outdrive the V12 on the street. I bought a second set.

 

again, I haven't looked into the v12, Ecsta XS, etc

I think RS3's/Star Specs last plenty long for a performance tire to warrant the cost, but some people just want a less aggressive tire

 

When I was shopping last year i researched tires for 2 months. In all my research not many had ran the RS-3's to high miles and the haters were calling 15k max miles from them. Well I still have plenty of tread left so I have to say I think they will last to 25k no problem.

I think im going to save up and try the Pilot Super Sports next time. I hear they are great tires like the Spec an RS-3 yet wont be nearly as loud.

 

I bet I can get less than 8K out of them - all street.

I just have to ask: Seeing how you're barely stressing the tire, what are the RS-3 doing for you?

Like I said, I've purchased 2 sets of V12s for my Evo. For me it comes down to this: when do I want to be fast? Do I want to be fast from May to early-October, or do I want to be fast from March to December? I choose the latter, so my tires need to be less sensitive to lower temps. As I drive on the street, I need a tire that's extremely predictable and easy to catch, and the V12s are very good here, as well. It all comes down to application. We can sit here and argue about whats a better tire in a vacuum, but to what end?

 

you are doing something wrong or EXTREMELY dangerous.

 

It's called using a car within the bounds of its performance envelope. Please understand that I feel odd defining this, as the thread centers on the highest-performance tires available today.

You probably didn't see the other comment, so I'll ask again: Seeing how your use barely stresses the tires, what is extreme-performance rubber like the RS-3 doing for you? How do you benefit, aside from being able to say that you have them?

 

oh lets open up this can ok

Why buy one of the following cars for the street since the true performance will never even come close to being used responsibly on the streets:

2.4 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 2010 2.46 2.5 2.5 Ariel Atom 500 2008 2.5 2.5 2.6 Koenigsegg Agera R 2012 2.7 2.7 2.6 Ultima GTR 2006 2.6[1] 2.6 2.7 Nissan GT-R R35 2013 2.7 2.7 [4] 2.7 Porsche 911 Turbo S 2011 2.7[2] 3.1[3] 2.8 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670–4 SuperVeloce 2009
2.8[8] 2.8 Nissan GT-R 2012 2.8 2.8 [6] 2.8 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo 2006 2.8 [7] 2.8 2.8 SSC Ultimate Aero TT 2010 2.8 2.8[5] 2.9 Caterham 7 Superlight R500 2007
2.9[9] 2.9 Gumpert Apollo Sport 2007 2.9 [10]
3.0 Noble M600 2010 3.0[11] 3.0 3.1 Caterham 7 CSR 2007
3.1[14] 3.1 Ferrari Enzo 2004 3.14[15] 3.3[16] 3.1 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta 2012

3.1 Koenigsegg CCXR 2007 3.1 3.1 3.1 Rossion Q1 2009 3.2[12] 3.1[13] 3.2 Gillet Vertigo 1994 n/a 3.2[18] 3.2 Koenigsegg CCX 2006 3.2[19] n/a 3.2 McLaren F1 1997 3.2 3.2 3.2 McLaren MP4-12C 2011 3.2[17] 3.2 Noble M400 2007 3.2[20] n/a 3.3 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 2009 3.3[21] 3.5 3.3 Ferrari 458 Italia 2010 3.3[2] 3.4[25] 3.3 Ford GT 2006 3.3[22] n/a 3.3 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 2007 3.3 3.3[23] 3.3 Noble M12 GTO-3R 2005 3.3[24] n/a 3.3 Noble M15 2006 n/a 3.5[44] 3.4 Ferrari 599 GTO 2010 n/a 3.4[26] 3.4 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 2009 3.4[27] 3.7[28] 3.4 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 2007 3.4[29] 3.8[28] 3.4 Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera LP570-4 2009 3.4 3.4 3.4 Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR 1998 n/a 3.4[30] 3.4 Porsche 911 Turbo 2007 3.2[31] 3.4[32] 3.4 Westfield Megabusa 2006 n/a 3.5[33] 3.5 BMW M6 2012 3.5[39] 4.2[40] 3.5 Bristol Fighter T 2007 n/a 3.5[38] 3.5 Dodge Viper SRT-10 2008 3.5[36] n/a 3.5 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2007 n/a 3.5[37] 3.5 Jaguar XJ220 1994 n/a 3.5[41] 3.5 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 2005 3.5[35] 3.5 3.5 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG 2010 3.5[2]
3.5 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ400 2005 n/a 3.5[42] 3.5 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR FQ400 2009 n/a 3.5[43] 3.5 Porsche Carrera GT 2005 3.5[34] 3.5 3.5 Shelby Mustang

I bought tires that would not handicap my vehicle. I knew that I wouldn't use the tires to their 100% full potential but I know that even my RS-3s at 50% are still better than any budget minded option. Why buy the "best handling car under 40k" and put some nangkong All seasons on there?

I drive aggressively, yet safe for public roads. When I do go take the montly canyon run I know that my tires will handle ANYTHING my limitations as a driver can throw at it. Also I have the money to afford nicer tires so why not budget accordingly. Got it?

I repeat if you are getting 10k from a tire like a v12 that gets on avg 30k you are doing something very wrong on the street.

 

I don't do strawman arguments.

We're not discussing extremes - best possible tires vs he worst possible tires. We're talking about tires that differ almost solely on the basis of their use - ie. what you do with them. Given your claim of the tires' condition, your use is obviously very mild.

So it's all about the "knowing." Knowing they're "nice," knowing they're capable of extreme performance. You could have just said that to begin with.

 

wow never looked at it that way. The are no benefits to a tire stickier than the v12 on the street. Thanks for showing me the error of my ways you really are good at this argument thing

 

Is the extra $250 for the set really worth it? Not to mention they are backordered. I mean its only $250 but it can be spent elsewhere.

 

they are so loud