heh! I can't afford the MR as it stands

Here was my epiphany... "new evo for lower payment"

but yeah the point of this thread was to try and convince me the extras of the MR are worth it.

 

It would all depend on how much you can get on the trade in. It would probably be a better idea to thow some power mods on your 05, in the long run you'll be happier.

 

Can you compare an VIII to a IX, same trim levels?

 

Around a track, the USDM MR has the edge over the RS. This has been tested professionally and scientifically with the details and explanations to back up the claims. The JDMs are just the opposite: the RS variants are quicker. Maybe what you mean is perceived quickness and a more fun-feeling in the RS. Perhaps you could offer more in your claim that the RS is more fun and the better track car. When you drove all 3 cars, where and how did you do so? Your experience could answer a lot of our questions about the IXs ... maybe.

 

The where...Portland Intl Raceway. And I never did say the RS was faster, I said it handled better. We never put a stopwatch to them. I'd like to be able to go back, and do a back to back test and time them all. There were 4 of us instructors from the race school and a bunch of journalists from all the mags driving the cars over a three day time period. Us instructors could get in and out of the cars all we wanted and would do so for hours on end untill the journo's would show up. There was myself, the owner of the race school, the chief instructor, and another instructor that aside from several SCCA road racing national championships, currently holds the outright speed record for the Silver State Classic.
Anyway, all of us initially thought the MR would be the better/faster car given the closer ratio gearing, suspension ect. However, after driving the RS, ALL of us felt It was the better track car. At times we were fighting to see who would get to drive it. It was just so noticeable as to how much lighter it was, and how the weight difference plays into the over all handling. It was MUCH more nimble. Any throttle or brake input made a much larger difference in the balance of the car with regard to weight transfer. We could brake later and take the corners a bit faster because of the lighter weight. It would be interesting to compare them back to back on a track like Road America, where hp and aero wold make a bigger difference. I could see the MR having a bit of an advantage because of better aero packaging, being able to hit a higher top speed.
The Mitsu engineers from japan were suprized that we liked the RS better than the MR for much the same reasons most people think of.
A side note with regards to suspension... the RS and the GSR have the same suspension settings. the RS felt great the GSR did not. The only real difference is the weight and center of gravity.

I would be interested in seeing the data that says the MR is faster than the RS at a racetrack, who performed the data and under what conditions. (stock, modded, short twisty track or a long higher speed track, ect).

 

Do you think the lacking ABS on the RS hurts it at all on the track? Sounds like "no"....

 

I should have been nicer initially, it's just that I don't hear this particular question very often.

The MR is a great car, and it's fast, but designed for a collector / enthusiast. The standard Evo 8 is more for the daily driver (leather seats and sunroof option). The RS is for someone who wants to race the crap out of their car. Understand, resale values will be based on those groupings. So the RS is going to have the worst (because they'll usually be heavily modded / beat up on), followed by the 8 (daily driven with high miles in traffic), then the MR (weekend driver / toy for the wealthy). MR's are also limited in production (actual number was near 1000 last year, with an anticipated 1500 this year), so even though it's basically a few cosmetic changes and a different transmission, it's still a rare car.

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...vos/index.html

This article compares all three VIII variants. You've probably read it already. I didn't differentiate between VIIIs or IXs in my reply because, suspension wise, they are the same cars. In fact, most all of the items that affect handling are the same between the two - excluding the MR's new zero lift kit and the IX's facias. I'm sorry for any confusion that I might have brought on by insinuating that I had a record of a new test comparing the three new IX variants - my bust. Thanks for your last inputs. They definately add more credibility to your first post.

 

In that chart posted on motortrends site show how much of a difference the ABS makes. 50-0 they are all even but once they hit the 100-0 it was apparent how much of a difference the ABS makes in the gsr and the MR.

 

Keep your MR

 

Sir,

Can I ask you a question? why are you so ignorant? I am not even going to waste my time answering you. Please spend a freaking $5 on a car magazine get yourself educated then join us at evolutionm.net when your level of knowledge get to an aceptable level.

For the rest of us , the Evo 9 in the US is a 5 speed except the Evo 9 MR (6 speed). Please don't let Evoguy04 keep trolling...

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ro.../0505_scc_evo/

 

Give me a second while I roll down my window so I can answer your question ...La, la, la. ...la, la, la, ....Um OK, just-one- more- moment. ...There we go, Whew! ..."Keep the MR."

Oh, and by the way, you'll find yourself always searching in vain for that non-existent 6th.

 

keep the MR for sure, the RS is just a step down, sure you get cooler seats, etc. but I dunno, all the amenities gone. . .I'd only jump at an RS IF I had an MR in hand and could buy a second, track dedicated car. . .

 

I wouldn't trade your MR for an RS, but I have a Ralliart so i wouldn't know. I'm sure mivec kicks *** combined with a turbo though. An VIII MR is wayyyy sexier than a IX RS

 

Yes, keep the MR. You will love the ride and equipment more on the MR than the RS. After all the RS wasn't that effective when they tested it agaisnt the MR.


MR won at the track against the RS even though the RS unit had 8whp more than the MR and less weight..