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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Making the switch from muscle to evo

Alright I have been reading this forum everyday for the last month. I currently have 72 Challenger that I am restoring, but man I need a new car and the Evo I think might step up to the plate. This forum is insane, I just wanted to let you guys do you do a good job of explaining everything. So here is my officially newbie question:

My friends and I were talking about drifting. I never knew what it is until they explained it to me. Now I have question, you really can't drift on an evo because it is a front wheel drive car right? Thanks, later guys.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 08:17 PM
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evos are all wheel drive... not the best for drifting, but you can.. and smoke all four tires! i think rmr built a rwd conversion evo for drifting
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 08:22 PM
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i never would have thought that somone would think an EVO is FWD...but it also goes tha same for me.. i have no clue about a 72 Challenger.... but yea you cant drift in a AWD you can power slide but no dirfting in AWD...but if you read this FORUM every day wouldnt you know that an EVO is AWD thats my question???
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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i wonder why he thought it was a fwd... id say a rwd would have been a better guess?
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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you really can't drift on an evo because it is a front wheel drive car right? Thanks, later guys.
drifting is best on fwd didnt you know?!

seriously, are you sure you want an evo? better introduce you to warrtalon =D
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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can noone tell sarcasm when they read it? he is clearly joking.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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when he gets an evo he,ll learn, i also have a muscle car (63 dodge 440)
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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isn't the evo more of a front wheel drive car then a rear wheel drive? i think it is 60/40 biased to the front. when ams had their old dyno they would disconnect the rear drive shaft. i want to say the sti is opposite. 40/60 split. that's awesome you have a challenger. i love muscle cars. i just watched a show on speed about the 70-71 plymouth duster and dodge demon. they remind me alot of the evo. smal block 340 in a 3200 lb car! get the evo.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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isn't the evo more of a front wheel drive car then a rear wheel drive? i think it is 60/40 biased to the front. when ams had their old dyno they would disconnect the rear drive shaft. i want to say the sti is opposite. 40/60 split. that's awesome you have a challenger. i love muscle cars. i just watched a show on speed about the 70-71 plymouth duster and dodge demon. they remind me alot of the evo. smal block 340 in a 3200 lb car! get the evo.
The evo center diff goes between 50f/50r and 100f/0r. But because of the suspension and chassis, you're able to get a lot less understeer than other awd cars (subaru wrx/sti and audi a4 for example).
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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oh the misinformation. learning is your friend. learning is everyone's friend. well, everyone except Christianity. Lol.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dayf
The evo center diff goes between 50f/50r and 100f/0r. But because of the suspension and chassis, you're able to get a lot less understeer than other awd cars (subaru wrx/sti and audi a4 for example).
thanks.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dayf
The evo center diff goes between 50f/50r and 100f/0r. But because of the suspension and chassis, you're able to get a lot less understeer than other awd cars (subaru wrx/sti and audi a4 for example).

the center diff does not send send power back and forth between front and rear. evo is all time 50/50 the center diff is what it is a differential. just like a limited slip in a muscle car or since u have a challenger, posi. it controls how much slippage between the f/r.just like ur muscle cars diff ties the two wheels togrther but allows a little slippage for turning/cornering.

u would have an easier time drifting ur challenger.since it is rear wheel drive. i have a cuda and love to drive sideways. the evo is quicker but more controlled.

just get the evo and enjoy.



ohh by the way dayf hows simi, i used to live there and realy miss it. but moving back soon i hope.

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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dayf
The evo center diff goes between 50f/50r and 100f/0r. But because of the suspension and chassis, you're able to get a lot less understeer than other awd cars (subaru wrx/sti and audi a4 for example).
wrong. that was in some magazine and everyone took it for fact. Fact is, they didn't know what thye were talking about...

The evo center diff is a 50/50 split (F/R) with an electro-hydraulic limited slip system.

The center diff gearing determines this. I've seen diagrams and pictures of the unit, and there is NO way that the Evo can be fwd only, ever unless it's physically modified. The center diff spider gears that go to the front and to the rear are the same size, thus, 50/50 power distribution. The computer only adjusts how much "grab" the LSD has. It's basic function is exactly like a rear LSD. it allows differences in speed between the inside and outside driveshafts, but only so much. The center diff clutch mechanism can pretty much lock under bad traction conditions, and this "locks" the center diff power distribution at 50/50, but since it's locked it's more like 100/100. But in this case, a lack of grip won't allow the front or rear end to lose traction and spin.

The STi center diff is a 41/59 F/R distribution (My '04 was 35/65 F/R). This is determined by the center diff gearing and cannot be changed unless you change the diff. The DCCD (almost identical function as the Evo's ACD) can "grab" harder, up to a full lock. This locks the power distribution to a 50/50 (or more accurately 100/100).

The only way I can possibly imagine a car as fwd only but can suddenly become AWD is to have a clutch mechanism that engages the rear drive shaft, but can be left out of the equation when it's otherwise disengaged. The Evo does not have this type of system.
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Old Apr 28, 2006 | 11:08 PM
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Also, drifting is typically a RWD trick. AWD cars can definitely do it and will often times have more control while drifting, but it's much harder on the drivetrain. To prevent this drivetrain strain, try it on really wet pavement, in a smooth dusty area, or in the snow. If you drive it in the snow, GET SNOW TIRES. the stock tires are deadly on the white stuff. Snow tires will transform it into a winter rally car. you'll be amazed.
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