NEWBIE : Why can shortblock hold?
Originally Posted by saleen281
What is it about these little 2.0 that have them running 500 to the wheels without caughing. I mean I come from bult small block v8 land and without forged internals.... 500 is the max for even the stoutest of motors for about a week.
A properly built small block will last a lot longer than 1 week and can put out a ton of power and torque. You slap a built 302 or a 351 W into a light Factory Five Cobra chasis and hold on......Both can easily accept a blower and can easily put down 450+ hp / 450 ftlbs + and run all day and all night....
The 2.0L that are putting down BIG HP numbers are built and are running a lot of boost (more than 20psi). As for longevity, I have no idea how the hold up, but I hear good things....
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Now, you talk about 10k in suspension mods. Well. I've got a friend with an 03 Cobra. Just bolt-ons. Small bolt-ons. He's spent 1k on his motor. He puts down 493 to the rear wheels on pump. Now, my car. I've spent(rather the guy I bought it from) spent almost 10k on parts. My car puts down 493hp on C16. 380 on 91. Now, the fun part of that is, I'm so much lighter than he is, we're dead even on pump.
The obvious point being, if you want a drag car, there is no other way to go than domestic. Be it an LS1 or a Cobra. Either way, you're going to spend a minimal amount of money getting it to run just as hard as any of these 500hp EVOs.
I would never trade my EVO in for any Cobra or LS1, but that's only because I like stopping and turning as much as I like going fast...well...I used to say that, but this GT35R is really starting to grow on me.
The return key.
Now, you talk about 10k in suspension mods. Well. I've got a friend with an 03 Cobra. Just bolt-ons. Small bolt-ons. He's spent 1k on his motor. He puts down 493 to the rear wheels on pump. Now, my car. I've spent(rather the guy I bought it from) spent almost 10k on parts. My car puts down 493hp on C16. 380 on 91. Now, the fun part of that is, I'm so much lighter than he is, we're dead even on pump.
The obvious point being, if you want a drag car, there is no other way to go than domestic. Be it an LS1 or a Cobra. Either way, you're going to spend a minimal amount of money getting it to run just as hard as any of these 500hp EVOs.
I would never trade my EVO in for any Cobra or LS1, but that's only because I like stopping and turning as much as I like going fast...well...I used to say that, but this GT35R is really starting to grow on me.
where i think the evo does lackis once you get beyond say 550whp then it becomes necessary to run race gas for power levels beyond..you can do a turbo ls1 w/single gt-42 that will put out 700whp on pump gas and 10psi,no need to drive around using $10/gal c16
Originally Posted by craigbb
where i think the evo does lackis once you get beyond say 550whp then it becomes necessary to run race gas for power levels beyond..you can do a turbo ls1 w/single gt-42 that will put out 700whp on pump gas and 10psi,no need to drive around using $10/gal c16
your buddy would have a great time with his car in the rain or snow, or iwith luggage or people who have legs... oh and remember he has a loadbearing supercharger so he hits boost right away when he floors it ...which means he gets any more horses and he is gonna be spinning his tires while you are down the road waiting for him 10 miles down the road. Plus he has to run HUGE injectors and his car prob sounds great but idles like crud.... tell him to STOP NOW. he does anymore to that car he will make it unstreetable and a pain in the butt in general. 500 is perfect for that car... he launches hard enough he is gonna kill himself with that dumb stock irs... he may have spent a grand on mods, but his car wont last half as long as yours, and he has zero handling and versitility. Domestics I agree are great for drag racing but highly modified ones make horrible cars for the sreet... you cant drive them when its too hot because the tune will go nuts on you and you cant drive them in the rain. And they have a really hard time staying sraight when you launch them real hard... especially with irs with the crazy wheel hop and the horrible differential.
Yeah...When we race from a dig I eat him up, but his IRS is stock. He's broken it once already. From a roll, his instant boost lets him jump ahead of me, then we hold even up to 140-150. The end of this month, he's taking the red pill, and totally building his IRS, and getting a set of slicks. Should make for some good racing.
He doesn't have to run huge injectors...I do! I'm running 880ccs and my car will die if you don't keep an eye on the tach. The stock cobra fuel system will support 600hp easy. He's putting on a whipple 2.3 in the next month, plans on making over 700whp, and all he's gonna need is a boost-a-pump. I'll still be able to stop faster and turn sharper, but at the end of the day we're still in texas, and drag is king.
He doesn't have to run huge injectors...I do! I'm running 880ccs and my car will die if you don't keep an eye on the tach. The stock cobra fuel system will support 600hp easy. He's putting on a whipple 2.3 in the next month, plans on making over 700whp, and all he's gonna need is a boost-a-pump. I'll still be able to stop faster and turn sharper, but at the end of the day we're still in texas, and drag is king.
I think there are several reasons this block can hold so much power.
1) It's heavy, thick cast iron
2) It was designed as a diesel
3) The main forces are up and down, not at angles (V)
4) The in-line 4 was the original design the straight 8 was too big so they made a v8 by breading 2 fours together.
The only engine design that has more horsepower capability is the radial.
1) It's heavy, thick cast iron
2) It was designed as a diesel
3) The main forces are up and down, not at angles (V)
4) The in-line 4 was the original design the straight 8 was too big so they made a v8 by breading 2 fours together.
The only engine design that has more horsepower capability is the radial.
the evo 6's do not come with complete forged internals. it is very hard and very expensive to design a forged piston that wont clunk everytime its cold. i only know of one engine that has all forged internals, which is the JDM Version 7 2.0 motors for the STI's, and those motors are something my brother dreams of.
but some of the good reasons why they can hold sooo much power is because of the forged crank and iron block. and remember is 4G63 is about 20 years old now, they must get it right eventually (not that it wasn't right from the get go)
but some of the good reasons why they can hold sooo much power is because of the forged crank and iron block. and remember is 4G63 is about 20 years old now, they must get it right eventually (not that it wasn't right from the get go)
Originally Posted by Ang Wen Yan
What is IRS??



.What is IRS??