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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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My first manual...thus some shifting questions

Ok, I have been reading the past hour. I have been driving stick since Tues of last week. Right now I am much more comfortable coming off the line, though I do take it slow till I hit 20 and shift.

Now the shifting question. From what I read, you shift from 1-2 at 20, 2-3 at 35/40, 3-4 at 55/60...well unless you are conserving gas around town and then drive in higher gears.

So, when you shift, I tend to feel it like it is slowing down or something is pulling me back. I am thinking my RPMS are not high enough. I slowly let off the clutch when shifting...is that right? Secondly, should I be applying gas when shifting? I was reading about pumping the gas when shifting? I don't want to be flying around all over, but I want to shift so I can keep the speed up properly and the boost going. I feel like in 2nd I have the boost, then start all over again in 3rd.....thanks guys.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by joey0480
Ok, I have been reading the past hour. I have been driving stick since Tues of last week. Right now I am much more comfortable coming off the line, though I do take it slow till I hit 20 and shift.

Now the shifting question. From what I read, you shift from 1-2 at 20, 2-3 at 35/40, 3-4 at 55/60...well unless you are conserving gas around town and then drive in higher gears.

So, when you shift, I tend to feel it like it is slowing down or something is pulling me back. I am thinking my RPMS are not high enough. I slowly let off the clutch when shifting...is that right? Secondly, should I be applying gas when shifting? I was reading about pumping the gas when shifting? I don't want to be flying around all over, but I want to shift so I can keep the speed up properly and the boost going. I feel like in 2nd I have the boost, then start all over again in 3rd.....thanks guys.
if your shifting at those mph, the rpm's should be way high enough, probably too high. also, when you shift, you are going to lose all boost.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:07 AM
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Nevermind, I'm not touching this one.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:08 AM
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The first thing I would do is find a freind that has a manual transmission car that will let me practice in. Poor EVO!

Second you don't shift by speed, you shift by RPM's (Essentially the same but, Hey). If you are really getting on it you don't shift until 6k-7.5k rpms depending on mods. If you are just cruising town then 2.5K-4k rpms is fine.

In between shifts your boost is going to drop off. There is no way to prevent that because you have a BOV which releases the pressure that the engine can no longer take... Each gear you have to build boost until you hit your peak boost.

You should shift quickly, efficiently, and smoothly. Don't mash the shifter, slam it, Yank it, etc. if you do you will break stuff. No you don't have to pump the gas in between shifts, most people don't unless they are racing.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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Thanks. I have driven tractors and what not before so I am familiar with the concept. It is not getting a hold of something that moves a lot quicker than the tractor.

so pretty much, let off gas, shift, let off the clutch SLOWLY I assume, and then gas again...correct me if I am wrong. And I appreciate those that are contributing to this thread.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by joey0480
Thanks. I have driven tractors and what not before so I am familiar with the concept. It is not getting a hold of something that moves a lot quicker than the tractor.

so pretty much, let off gas, shift, let off the clutch SLOWLY I assume, and then gas again...correct me if I am wrong. And I appreciate those that are contributing to this thread.
something like that. You make it sound soooooooo slow to shift.

Please don't give it gas when clutch is engaged UNLESS you are 2-stepping in first gear. Lets learn to drive stick first before starting a thread on the 2-step.

Jason
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:49 AM
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LOL it feels slow..probably because I am new at it. I am figuring if I keep the rpms high enough though it should give me enough time to release the clutch and get back on the gas again but I wish the biting point was a tad lower....right at the top seems move difficult!
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by joey0480
Thanks. I have driven tractors and what not before so I am familiar with the concept. It is not getting a hold of something that moves a lot quicker than the tractor.

so pretty much, let off gas, shift, let off the clutch SLOWLY I assume, and then gas again...correct me if I am wrong. And I appreciate those that are contributing to this thread.
well ,normally you let it of slowly jsut for pull off, when you shifting you dont have to do it so slow, but you can start slow to get the hang of it, give it a week and youll do it alot faster..just precision.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 07:55 AM
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He was not at all talking about the 2-step cali2m. He was only talking about shifting the car......
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oops. double post
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Old May 21, 2007 | 08:02 AM
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sounds as if ur not applying gas until the clutch is fully engaged. that is why it feels like the car is slowing down as u shift. when u are engaging the clutch slowly, u simultaneously give a little gas as to not slow down the engine.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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This technique will work with any manual transmission and can be adapted to the Evo with a little practice. The whole idea is to shift at lower RPM's in lower gears and higher RPM's in higher gears. Makes for very smooth shifting also.

Progressive shifting is a technique for changing gears commonly practiced by drivers of semi-trailer trucks. It is meant to reduce fuel consumption — something very important for drivers who travel several hundred miles each day.

Progressive shifting is accomplished by changing gears upward as early as possible when accelerating. After each shift is completed, the engine and transmission should be operating at or near the lowest rpm speeds recommended by the manufacturers of those parts.

When done properly, progressive shifting often results in quicker acceleration because diesel engines produce the most torque in lower rpm ranges. Additionally, this technique reduces wear on the transmission because synchronizers only need to compensate for relatively small differences in rotational speed between different components in the gearbox.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Do not pay attention to your speedometer or your rpm, learn how to feel your engine and the road. Your shifting will vary depending on the road, your speed and the gear that your in. When coming from stop, you vary the releasing of clutch depending on the road and how much gas your giving the car. Don't worry about being fast, practice on being smooth. Learn to feel your car.
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Old May 21, 2007 | 08:21 AM
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Good advice.

Originally Posted by Jhero23
Do not pay attention to your speedometer or your rpm, learn how to feel your engine and the road. Your shifting will vary depending on the road, your speed and the gear that your in. When coming from stop, you vary the releasing of clutch depending on the road and how much gas your giving the car. Don't worry about being fast, practice on being smooth. Learn to feel your car.
But that takes time, start to do this but check your RPM's while learning to shift smoothly. More speed, more load (hills), more acceleration = more RPM's.
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