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Old May 25, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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what are you talking about. There is no way a rich tune will wash away your rings. I dont know where your getting your info from, but that is def not true. Your rings in your motor are designed to have gas sprayed on them, and there are not going to wear away by getting to much gas on them. They wear away from being to lean, and knocking. Get the facts straight before you chime in please.
I'm with him. If anything. You'll just gunk everything up like your plugs, injectors, valves, etc... Gunking = sluggish and loss of power.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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3 possibilities I can think of:
1 - Tune could be wrong, was it dyno'd?
2 - You are in limp home mode for some reason running fat
3 - You have some serious boost leaks and your A:F is compromised

If you're car sounds like a jet about to take off, it's item 3
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Old May 25, 2007 | 11:50 AM
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I've experiences both on my cars. Black smoke is fuel, your car will still perform. Blue smoke is oil, you car makes pretty contrails at all RPM's <-----------know this from experience.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta4125
what are you talking about. There is no way a rich tune will wash away your rings. I dont know where your getting your info from, but that is def not true. Your rings in your motor are designed to have gas sprayed on them, and there are not going to wear away by getting to much gas on them. They wear away from being to lean, and knocking. Get the facts straight before you chime in please.
Guess you never built a motor before. . Running rich will wash your rings away. Since you have no idea I will teach you. When you run to rich, you wash of the microscopic oil film that your cross hatch holds. The middle ring which controls the scraping of the oil which is at an angle now becomes flat because to much gas washed away that film of oil. You now have direct metal to metal contact on the oil control rings. You never seen a cylinder that had no cross hatch, just a smooth cylinder? that is not good. That cross hatch helps to seat the rings in the breaking period and holds oil to help keep metal to metal contact. Running lean will break things, same as knock. So before you chime in and give wrong info about running lean and knock is the only way to smoke your motor, you need to check yourself. Running to rich is just as bad as running lean. Running rich destroys the rings over time as lean can blow your motor right away. So you get your facts straight.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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I'm with him. If anything. You'll just gunk everything up like your plugs, injectors, valves, etc... Gunking = sluggish and loss of power.
And no that is not the only thing gas does.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta4125
what are you talking about. There is no way a rich tune will wash away your rings. I dont know where your getting your info from, but that is def not true. Your rings in your motor are designed to have gas sprayed on them, and there are not going to wear away by getting to much gas on them. They wear away from being to lean, and knocking. Get the facts straight before you chime in please.
And gas does not get sprayed on the rings. it is sprayed on the top of the piston. Your rings are designed to hold compression and oil control. Never noticed that there are more than one set of rings on one piston????????????????/
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Old May 25, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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boy there are some really smart people here..
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Old May 25, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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asta4125 must feel like a retart now after opening his mouth. what a d@#khead.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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boy there are some really smart people here..

Last edited by kobi2002; May 25, 2007 at 03:08 PM.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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hahha..yea ring wash ...fricken sucks! that was on the H22 motor though. shop tried to tell me that my injector went bad in that cylinder. Perfect timing right?! I think he tuned it too rich via hondata s200B....soooooo many stories.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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Old May 25, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bsander23
hahha..yea ring wash ...fricken sucks! that was on the H22 motor though. shop tried to tell me that my injector went bad in that cylinder. Perfect timing right?! I think he tuned it too rich via hondata s200B....soooooo many stories.
That is why I got an evo, Had to leave the darkside. Still love honda's though but don't think I'll be doing a b18c turbo anytime soon
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Old May 25, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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yup, shtuff like that added up for too long, finally selling the car....more than happy with my Evo. never go honda again. no offense.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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yup, shtuff like that added up for too long, finally selling the car....more than happy with my Evo. never go honda again. no offense.
None taken, I hear you loud and clear
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