I'm hooked, EVO noob here...(lots of reading and some questions)
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Good story.
I gotta ask....it seems that everyone is very bias towards the MR. Why is this? Is it because the MR is not stick, but uses a hybrid manual-auto transmission? Is it also because no one really quite knows how the MR is going to be? Sure we have read reviews, but no user reviews. I do have the feeling it all comes back down to the stick vs. auto. The whole connection with the road thing.
I gotta ask....it seems that everyone is very bias towards the MR. Why is this? Is it because the MR is not stick, but uses a hybrid manual-auto transmission? Is it also because no one really quite knows how the MR is going to be? Sure we have read reviews, but no user reviews. I do have the feeling it all comes back down to the stick vs. auto. The whole connection with the road thing.
lol March 28 my first car, my first stick, my first Evo (X).
Here's my little story xD
Monday talks to dad about cars, attempts to convince him to buy me a car, he says call your aunt if she says she'll go with you then I'll buy it so then I'm like okay... I'll call. Calls aunt ask her and she says Yes without me even begging lol.
Tuesday goes to Mitsubishi Dealer ship in SD and saw the Evo X (I wanted the previous Evos before the X came out but parents said a new one of 2008 so yeah) I was talking to the dealers and the one I wanted was for 38k. 2 hours later, go home and tells parents about it and they said ok they'll buy it.
Wednesday Dealer calls me and says we got a sale the Evo you want will be sold for 34k! and I'm like yay me, so tell my parents and they are like okay tell your aunt and take you when she can, so I call my aunt and she says friday morning and I'm like omg. So after I hang up, I remembered that I DO NOT know how to drive a stick xD. SOOO I call up like 5 of my friends and ask them if they could teach me how to drive, and all of them said, no dude I'll teach you when you have your car, or others say no man my parents will kill me, basically all excuses so I'm like (geez cool friends I got there huh?), so I then I call my other friend that doesn't have a car, and he says "I'll tell my brother to teach you" so yay me. We go to his brothers house and he teaches me in his civic hatchback, and there I stalled a few times and he taught me some of the basics. so I go home since it was late, but in my head I'm like "At least I know how to drive it and shift it now."
Thursday comes, and I feel nervous about me getting a manual car with only 1 hour of practice... so then I call up my uncle which lives in Tijuana (Mexico, just by the border from where I live, which is San Diego.) so then I go over there and he decides to get one of his friends and they let me borrow the car and I practice for another hour and then I went back to SD and slept.
Friday morning wake up 3 hours before I was suppose to meet up with my aunt because of excitement. So then at 10:30 AM my aunt picks me up, we go to the dealership and there it was the beautiful Lancer Evolution X GSR (Silver) so then we go for a test drive, the guy asked me if I knew how to drive a manual, and me knowing I have only practice manual for TWO HOURS in my entire life, I say Yes (lmao). He then drives out the car 2 streets up and parks and tells me to drive it. I get on the driver's seat, start off the car a but jerky but didn't stall! so then I thought I was just gonna drive around the dealership but uh oh! He says hey watch go forward and you will see the freeway 5 and just go south, and in my head I'm like (HOLY $**T ) so then I'm like Okay... I stop by the red light before the freeway, and once it turned green, I almost froze xDD. So then I start driving it to the freeway shifting every 3k RPM getting it to like 70mph in 5th gear and then we drove back and as soon as I got to the dealership, i was like omfg I have never driven that far with a manual xD. Anyways then after I bought it I was all happy and all that but then I forgot I had to drive it home, BUT there was one problem xDD. I don't have a freaking license... I only had a permit, no adults were with me but my aunt, but she had to drive her car back as well, so then I was like crap I'm screw. but then I just asked the manager if the guy that attended me could drive it back to my house, and so he did and they sent someone to follow and picked him up. Once I got home I was just sitting in my Evo X and thinking that it was just all a dream and I would wake up anytime soon. But yeah the feeling was so good after having the GSR, right now I'm better at driving it. I was practicing at my street where there are not a lot of cars going by, and my drive way which was kinna like a mini tiny hill, so I could make sure I could drive in hills and not roll back.
So here's my tip for you, if you are buying the car and have no experience with the car, ask the dealers to drive your car home, and then you practice somewhere near your house that has no traffic or anything you could accidentally bump into. Also make sure you practice HILLS, those are scary at first and try to find someone that knows how to drive manual. Anyways let me give you an awesome video I was watching after I got my Evo X. The guy in the video, basically explains everything to you, although the car is different, the process is the same, so just practice getting the feel for it. All I gotta say is, don't rev the RPMs to above 3k RPMs while holding the clutch and not letting go at all, all you get is a burnt smell from the clutch. For me I usually rev around 2.5k RPM or 3k RPM and put the clutch at the hook up point and then slowly add gas while letting go of the clutch even more so I don't jerk so much but I still kinna do, but hey! no stalling xD
So yeah don't be afraid of getting a manual, you'll actually enjoy it after you get the hand of it, and DON'T GIVE UP, all it takes is some practice AND some more practice after the practice xD
So here's the video from where I learned a lot of useful tips on driving a Stick.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B59-pWSPoZU
PS: I won my first race 3 weeks after I got it against an Eclipse from a red light at 0 MPH (was actually scared when the eclipse challenged me xD) We were racing for about 2 blocks so yeah it was a short race, but hey a race is a race and a win is a win ^^
hopefully this was some what helpful on how it feels and hope you get a GSR instead of the MR ^^
Here's my little story xD
Monday talks to dad about cars, attempts to convince him to buy me a car, he says call your aunt if she says she'll go with you then I'll buy it so then I'm like okay... I'll call. Calls aunt ask her and she says Yes without me even begging lol.
Tuesday goes to Mitsubishi Dealer ship in SD and saw the Evo X (I wanted the previous Evos before the X came out but parents said a new one of 2008 so yeah) I was talking to the dealers and the one I wanted was for 38k. 2 hours later, go home and tells parents about it and they said ok they'll buy it.
Wednesday Dealer calls me and says we got a sale the Evo you want will be sold for 34k! and I'm like yay me, so tell my parents and they are like okay tell your aunt and take you when she can, so I call my aunt and she says friday morning and I'm like omg. So after I hang up, I remembered that I DO NOT know how to drive a stick xD. SOOO I call up like 5 of my friends and ask them if they could teach me how to drive, and all of them said, no dude I'll teach you when you have your car, or others say no man my parents will kill me, basically all excuses so I'm like (geez cool friends I got there huh?), so I then I call my other friend that doesn't have a car, and he says "I'll tell my brother to teach you" so yay me. We go to his brothers house and he teaches me in his civic hatchback, and there I stalled a few times and he taught me some of the basics. so I go home since it was late, but in my head I'm like "At least I know how to drive it and shift it now."
Thursday comes, and I feel nervous about me getting a manual car with only 1 hour of practice... so then I call up my uncle which lives in Tijuana (Mexico, just by the border from where I live, which is San Diego.) so then I go over there and he decides to get one of his friends and they let me borrow the car and I practice for another hour and then I went back to SD and slept.
Friday morning wake up 3 hours before I was suppose to meet up with my aunt because of excitement. So then at 10:30 AM my aunt picks me up, we go to the dealership and there it was the beautiful Lancer Evolution X GSR (Silver) so then we go for a test drive, the guy asked me if I knew how to drive a manual, and me knowing I have only practice manual for TWO HOURS in my entire life, I say Yes (lmao). He then drives out the car 2 streets up and parks and tells me to drive it. I get on the driver's seat, start off the car a but jerky but didn't stall! so then I thought I was just gonna drive around the dealership but uh oh! He says hey watch go forward and you will see the freeway 5 and just go south, and in my head I'm like (HOLY $**T ) so then I'm like Okay... I stop by the red light before the freeway, and once it turned green, I almost froze xDD. So then I start driving it to the freeway shifting every 3k RPM getting it to like 70mph in 5th gear and then we drove back and as soon as I got to the dealership, i was like omfg I have never driven that far with a manual xD. Anyways then after I bought it I was all happy and all that but then I forgot I had to drive it home, BUT there was one problem xDD. I don't have a freaking license... I only had a permit, no adults were with me but my aunt, but she had to drive her car back as well, so then I was like crap I'm screw. but then I just asked the manager if the guy that attended me could drive it back to my house, and so he did and they sent someone to follow and picked him up. Once I got home I was just sitting in my Evo X and thinking that it was just all a dream and I would wake up anytime soon. But yeah the feeling was so good after having the GSR, right now I'm better at driving it. I was practicing at my street where there are not a lot of cars going by, and my drive way which was kinna like a mini tiny hill, so I could make sure I could drive in hills and not roll back.
So here's my tip for you, if you are buying the car and have no experience with the car, ask the dealers to drive your car home, and then you practice somewhere near your house that has no traffic or anything you could accidentally bump into. Also make sure you practice HILLS, those are scary at first and try to find someone that knows how to drive manual. Anyways let me give you an awesome video I was watching after I got my Evo X. The guy in the video, basically explains everything to you, although the car is different, the process is the same, so just practice getting the feel for it. All I gotta say is, don't rev the RPMs to above 3k RPMs while holding the clutch and not letting go at all, all you get is a burnt smell from the clutch. For me I usually rev around 2.5k RPM or 3k RPM and put the clutch at the hook up point and then slowly add gas while letting go of the clutch even more so I don't jerk so much but I still kinna do, but hey! no stalling xD
So yeah don't be afraid of getting a manual, you'll actually enjoy it after you get the hand of it, and DON'T GIVE UP, all it takes is some practice AND some more practice after the practice xD
So here's the video from where I learned a lot of useful tips on driving a Stick.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B59-pWSPoZU
PS: I won my first race 3 weeks after I got it against an Eclipse from a red light at 0 MPH (was actually scared when the eclipse challenged me xD) We were racing for about 2 blocks so yeah it was a short race, but hey a race is a race and a win is a win ^^
hopefully this was some what helpful on how it feels and hope you get a GSR instead of the MR ^^
Street racing is not cool and only endangering other peoples lives especially since you don't even know what you are doing....literally as you have stated yourself in this post....and clutches aren't covered by your warranty...lol.....i can say already is that you evo x owners, your cars on the road vs production numbers is soon to be lower...lol
Let me put it this way, if you are actively interested in learning how to control the car, learn stick, and grow your skills you can do it easily in a few months.
When I turned 16 I was given my father's old car, a 97' GS-T. Riding with my brother, his friends who competed in AutoX, and watching hour upon hour of Best Motoring videos I was able to 'master' complete pedal control within 3 months. Practicing every day. Heel-toe, clutchless up and down shifting, etc etc.
I'm now 20, and never stopped practicing. I picked up a 00' Miata when I turned 18 and taught myself how to control a RWD car compared to a FWD car. Drifting started out with e-brake, then weight transfer, then eventually just using the brakes and turning in. I'm not a 'drifter', but practicing the skills has given me even more control.
I have never crashed, and I never street race. If I can do it, you can do it. Pull up youtube, type in 'best motoring', and start watching. Watch and practice, get used to feeling how the car responds to every input.
When I turned 16 I was given my father's old car, a 97' GS-T. Riding with my brother, his friends who competed in AutoX, and watching hour upon hour of Best Motoring videos I was able to 'master' complete pedal control within 3 months. Practicing every day. Heel-toe, clutchless up and down shifting, etc etc.
I'm now 20, and never stopped practicing. I picked up a 00' Miata when I turned 18 and taught myself how to control a RWD car compared to a FWD car. Drifting started out with e-brake, then weight transfer, then eventually just using the brakes and turning in. I'm not a 'drifter', but practicing the skills has given me even more control.
I have never crashed, and I never street race. If I can do it, you can do it. Pull up youtube, type in 'best motoring', and start watching. Watch and practice, get used to feeling how the car responds to every input.
**WARNING LONG POST ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION** Skip over if you don't want to learn about it. More details about the MR are in the last paragraph.
Apparently people replying here don't not all that much about the new transmission being put into the MR. It is by no means the same as a typical automatic, and it is not even remotely comparable to the transmission in the lancer. The lancer uses the typical planetary gear transmission with paddle shifters to allow you to "chose" what gear you want. It is slow, bulky and nothing like what will be in the MR. You can read more about it here and here
The transmission being put into the MR is closer related to a sequential manual (used in race cars and rally cars) and close to identical the VW's DSG you can read about it here, here, and here. This transmission has 2 clutches, one clutch controlling gears 1,3, and 5 and the other controlling 2, 4, and 6. Briefly how it works, lets say you accelerating in 3rd gear, the ecu is monitoring the cars information rpms speed, etc. it is calculating what you will be doing next and setting up the transmission, getting it ready for 4th gear (in reality this takes a fraction of a second), and just when the time is right it disengages 3rd gear and engages 4th gear in fraction of a second. This is what happens in the normal, sport, and super sport modes, also I THINK in these modes you are also able to use the paddles to tell the car what gear you want, but from what I have read, and the reviews I have seen you don't really need to. You also have the ability to put the car into manual mode which will allow you to change gears whenever you want using the paddles just like you would in a manual, the only difference is you don't have to push in a clutch and it shifts much faster than you ever could in a typical manual. I would recommend reading the referenced articles if you are interested in learning about the potential of the new transmission.
Also this transmission is definitely not primarily for track use. I think the mistu released primarily for use a a daily driver. they are trying to target a wider range of people now. As a result a lot of people are going to be using this car as a daily driver, and while you are stuck in traffic on your way to work you don't want to be dicking around with a manual. on the flip side the transmission has the ability to preform remarkably well and allow you use the car as a true evo when you aren't driving it to work or what have you. Also if you get this car you are going to want to drive it fast, and learn how to do it well. For example when you are coming into a turn fast with a manual you are going to have to down shift, while rev matching, while keeping the throttle up, while left foot breaking and this is no easy task. From driving my Audi RS4 around a high speeds I have learned this process gets old real quick, I can't wait to get my evo MR and not have to worry about all these things in addition to navigating my way around the turn.
Also there are a few differences with the MR which no one has really gone into. Other than the biggest thing (the transmission) which is mentioned above. The MR also has forged alloy wheels as appose to the cast alloy which are stock with the GSR. The basic difference is forged is stronger and lighter than cast. However this is an option on the GSR. They also upgrade your suspension with Bilstein shocks and dampers. The also have a little bit better brakes, the brakes on the MR are two pieces and vented to reduce weight and improve cooling. The interior is upgraded with nicer parts to set it more withing the range of other 35-40k cars. And it included 11lb of sound damping. Hope this helps you decide on which to get.
Apparently people replying here don't not all that much about the new transmission being put into the MR. It is by no means the same as a typical automatic, and it is not even remotely comparable to the transmission in the lancer. The lancer uses the typical planetary gear transmission with paddle shifters to allow you to "chose" what gear you want. It is slow, bulky and nothing like what will be in the MR. You can read more about it here and here
The transmission being put into the MR is closer related to a sequential manual (used in race cars and rally cars) and close to identical the VW's DSG you can read about it here, here, and here. This transmission has 2 clutches, one clutch controlling gears 1,3, and 5 and the other controlling 2, 4, and 6. Briefly how it works, lets say you accelerating in 3rd gear, the ecu is monitoring the cars information rpms speed, etc. it is calculating what you will be doing next and setting up the transmission, getting it ready for 4th gear (in reality this takes a fraction of a second), and just when the time is right it disengages 3rd gear and engages 4th gear in fraction of a second. This is what happens in the normal, sport, and super sport modes, also I THINK in these modes you are also able to use the paddles to tell the car what gear you want, but from what I have read, and the reviews I have seen you don't really need to. You also have the ability to put the car into manual mode which will allow you to change gears whenever you want using the paddles just like you would in a manual, the only difference is you don't have to push in a clutch and it shifts much faster than you ever could in a typical manual. I would recommend reading the referenced articles if you are interested in learning about the potential of the new transmission.
Also this transmission is definitely not primarily for track use. I think the mistu released primarily for use a a daily driver. they are trying to target a wider range of people now. As a result a lot of people are going to be using this car as a daily driver, and while you are stuck in traffic on your way to work you don't want to be dicking around with a manual. on the flip side the transmission has the ability to preform remarkably well and allow you use the car as a true evo when you aren't driving it to work or what have you. Also if you get this car you are going to want to drive it fast, and learn how to do it well. For example when you are coming into a turn fast with a manual you are going to have to down shift, while rev matching, while keeping the throttle up, while left foot breaking and this is no easy task. From driving my Audi RS4 around a high speeds I have learned this process gets old real quick, I can't wait to get my evo MR and not have to worry about all these things in addition to navigating my way around the turn.
Also there are a few differences with the MR which no one has really gone into. Other than the biggest thing (the transmission) which is mentioned above. The MR also has forged alloy wheels as appose to the cast alloy which are stock with the GSR. The basic difference is forged is stronger and lighter than cast. However this is an option on the GSR. They also upgrade your suspension with Bilstein shocks and dampers. The also have a little bit better brakes, the brakes on the MR are two pieces and vented to reduce weight and improve cooling. The interior is upgraded with nicer parts to set it more withing the range of other 35-40k cars. And it included 11lb of sound damping. Hope this helps you decide on which to get.
A) The lancer transmission is not a "typical planetary gear transmission" its a CVT, or continuously variable transmission. And I agree it is not the same as the transimission in the MR. I even said that it was not the same. I did say that because I had the lancer with paddle shifters I got to experience what it was like "shifting" with paddle shifters and it is not close to the same experience as shifting a true manual and using the clutch.
B) I never said the SST was for track usage. I said that the "super-sport" mode of the SST is intended solely for track use. And mitsubishi has said that numerous times.
C) You don't left foot brake in a manual when braking+downshifiting. You have to use the "heal-toe" method in which you use the left side of your right foot to brake and the right side of your right foot to "blip" the throttle to rev-match in your downshift. You have to use your left foot to clutch!
Anyway, besides that I agree with most of your post. Just before you start bad-mouthing people make sure you read what they wrote and that you are correct in what you are writing.
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Why would Mitsubishi put a mode that you can only use for the track? I'm referring to Super-Sport mode. Normal and Sport are OK for street driving, but Super-sport is only for track racing? The main problem with super sport is that its no economical and eats your gas, but at the same time, if someone revs on you or you just want to have a little fun while driving, then super sport mode is there for you to enable? is this the general idea? I mean just because I don't race cars doesn't mean I can enjoy super-sport mode. right?
AH, I see the problem.
If you floor it in Normal, Sport, or super-sport then the car will behave pretty much almost the same. As long as you have the peddal floored, then it knows you are trying to accelerate. Therefore it will accelerate to almost redline, shift, accelerate to almost redline, shift. It would be just like any automatic.
Super-Sport mode allows you to actually launch the car, but you don't launch a car at a random stoplight, as it is considered "recklace driving" and illegal.
The difference is what happens when you are not accelerating. In normal mode the car will most of the time be in the most "fuel efficent" gear. This means after you've floored it and kicked the other guys *** and your just cruising at 50mph or whatever then the car will shift into a higher gear to keep the rpms low. Which is what you want. In Sport mode it will stay in a slightly lower gear in order to keep the rpms slightly higher. However in super-sport mode it will stay in the lowest gear possible in order to have the most power available for when you go to accelerate, this is not what you want in daily driving, but is perfect for track usage where your either accelerating or braking.
It is perfectly ok to cruise and do daily driving in Sport mode. It will probably be a very popular mode. Sport mode executes the shifts faster then normal mode. So if the guy next to you is reving his engine, then flip it into sport mode and floor it. It will be more "jerky" when it shifts but it will shift faster. Super-sport shifts slightly faster then sport mode, but that difference is inconsequential on the street and daily driving.
Lastly your forgetting you have the paddle shifters. Flip the car into sport mode, which will make the gear changes faster. And then use the paddle shifters to controll what gear it is in. This is the way to do it if you want some performance fun during daily driving.
This way you know you want to floor it in a second, then knock the gear down 2-3 and then floor it. You'll have all the fun you want. Or if your stopped, then flip it into manual and do the shifts yourself as you floor it.
Lastly, you have to stop questioning super-sport being intended solelly for the track. It is intended solely for the track. However, in you have more then enough controll over the car in daily driving to have all the fun you would want in normal or sport mode.
And mitsubishi put a mode that is only for use on the track because this car is a track car! its a car whose reputation comes from eating up any other car anywhere nears its price range on the track. Super-sport mode will shift the car the exact same way a professional track driver would shift. However, you have to understand that this is not at all simular to the way you shift in daily driving. Mitsubishi has for daily driving give you 2 modes, namely normal and sport.
Normal will be perfect and the best for daily driving. Sport will add a bit more fun and responsiveness for dailly driving. But don't confuse these names to mean that the car won't feel powerful or fun to drive while in these modes. Floor it in either mode and you will feel your *** about to explode out the back of the seat. Its just when you are cruising, or slowing down then the car will keep the rpms low and at a good place for noise comfort and gas efficiency.
If you floor it in Normal, Sport, or super-sport then the car will behave pretty much almost the same. As long as you have the peddal floored, then it knows you are trying to accelerate. Therefore it will accelerate to almost redline, shift, accelerate to almost redline, shift. It would be just like any automatic.
Super-Sport mode allows you to actually launch the car, but you don't launch a car at a random stoplight, as it is considered "recklace driving" and illegal.
The difference is what happens when you are not accelerating. In normal mode the car will most of the time be in the most "fuel efficent" gear. This means after you've floored it and kicked the other guys *** and your just cruising at 50mph or whatever then the car will shift into a higher gear to keep the rpms low. Which is what you want. In Sport mode it will stay in a slightly lower gear in order to keep the rpms slightly higher. However in super-sport mode it will stay in the lowest gear possible in order to have the most power available for when you go to accelerate, this is not what you want in daily driving, but is perfect for track usage where your either accelerating or braking.
It is perfectly ok to cruise and do daily driving in Sport mode. It will probably be a very popular mode. Sport mode executes the shifts faster then normal mode. So if the guy next to you is reving his engine, then flip it into sport mode and floor it. It will be more "jerky" when it shifts but it will shift faster. Super-sport shifts slightly faster then sport mode, but that difference is inconsequential on the street and daily driving.
Lastly your forgetting you have the paddle shifters. Flip the car into sport mode, which will make the gear changes faster. And then use the paddle shifters to controll what gear it is in. This is the way to do it if you want some performance fun during daily driving.
This way you know you want to floor it in a second, then knock the gear down 2-3 and then floor it. You'll have all the fun you want. Or if your stopped, then flip it into manual and do the shifts yourself as you floor it.
Lastly, you have to stop questioning super-sport being intended solelly for the track. It is intended solely for the track. However, in you have more then enough controll over the car in daily driving to have all the fun you would want in normal or sport mode.
And mitsubishi put a mode that is only for use on the track because this car is a track car! its a car whose reputation comes from eating up any other car anywhere nears its price range on the track. Super-sport mode will shift the car the exact same way a professional track driver would shift. However, you have to understand that this is not at all simular to the way you shift in daily driving. Mitsubishi has for daily driving give you 2 modes, namely normal and sport.
Normal will be perfect and the best for daily driving. Sport will add a bit more fun and responsiveness for dailly driving. But don't confuse these names to mean that the car won't feel powerful or fun to drive while in these modes. Floor it in either mode and you will feel your *** about to explode out the back of the seat. Its just when you are cruising, or slowing down then the car will keep the rpms low and at a good place for noise comfort and gas efficiency.
Here, read this. and browse around that site you can find out anything you want.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...73183&mime=ASC
I've said it like 30 times now and I'm not gonna say it again. Super-sport is for track and track only. It doesn't mean that the other modes won't provide Super fun for daily driving.
And its not only because of the jerky shifts, its because it downshifts as soon as possible while you are braking to maintain the highest engine rpm and overal shifts for maximum track performance.
Just think about it in your head, if you are on a track you are always accelerating except when you are braking. So super sport mode keeps the car in the best gear to get the best acceleration and therefor performance.
90% of daily driving you are not accelerating, so why would you need the car "poised" for acceleration during that time? you don't.
and lastly , if you do want the car "poised" for acceleration cause you know your about to try and pass someone, then use the paddle shifters to knock the gear down a couple and you'll get the same exact performance you would get in super sport mode.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...73183&mime=ASC
I've said it like 30 times now and I'm not gonna say it again. Super-sport is for track and track only. It doesn't mean that the other modes won't provide Super fun for daily driving.
The S-Sport mode executes the quickest shifts possible, making it ideal for competitive track events. Since the driver and passengers will feel shift shock in S-Sport mode, it is not advisable for everyday driving.
Just think about it in your head, if you are on a track you are always accelerating except when you are braking. So super sport mode keeps the car in the best gear to get the best acceleration and therefor performance.
90% of daily driving you are not accelerating, so why would you need the car "poised" for acceleration during that time? you don't.
and lastly , if you do want the car "poised" for acceleration cause you know your about to try and pass someone, then use the paddle shifters to knock the gear down a couple and you'll get the same exact performance you would get in super sport mode.
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AH, I see the problem.
If you floor it in Normal, Sport, or super-sport then the car will behave pretty much almost the same. As long as you have the peddal floored, then it knows you are trying to accelerate. Therefore it will accelerate to almost redline, shift, accelerate to almost redline, shift. It would be just like any automatic.
Super-Sport mode allows you to actually launch the car, but you don't launch a car at a random stoplight, as it is considered "recklace driving" and illegal.
The difference is what happens when you are not accelerating. In normal mode the car will most of the time be in the most "fuel efficent" gear. This means after you've floored it and kicked the other guys *** and your just cruising at 50mph or whatever then the car will shift into a higher gear to keep the rpms low. Which is what you want. In Sport mode it will stay in a slightly lower gear in order to keep the rpms slightly higher. However in super-sport mode it will stay in the lowest gear possible in order to have the most power available for when you go to accelerate, this is not what you want in daily driving, but is perfect for track usage where your either accelerating or braking.
It is perfectly ok to cruise and do daily driving in Sport mode. It will probably be a very popular mode. Sport mode executes the shifts faster then normal mode. So if the guy next to you is reving his engine, then flip it into sport mode and floor it. It will be more "jerky" when it shifts but it will shift faster. Super-sport shifts slightly faster then sport mode, but that difference is inconsequential on the street and daily driving.
Lastly your forgetting you have the paddle shifters. Flip the car into sport mode, which will make the gear changes faster. And then use the paddle shifters to controll what gear it is in. This is the way to do it if you want some performance fun during daily driving.
This way you know you want to floor it in a second, then knock the gear down 2-3 and then floor it. You'll have all the fun you want. Or if your stopped, then flip it into manual and do the shifts yourself as you floor it.
Lastly, you have to stop questioning super-sport being intended solelly for the track. It is intended solely for the track. However, in you have more then enough controll over the car in daily driving to have all the fun you would want in normal or sport mode.
And mitsubishi put a mode that is only for use on the track because this car is a track car! its a car whose reputation comes from eating up any other car anywhere nears its price range on the track. Super-sport mode will shift the car the exact same way a professional track driver would shift. However, you have to understand that this is not at all simular to the way you shift in daily driving. Mitsubishi has for daily driving give you 2 modes, namely normal and sport.
Normal will be perfect and the best for daily driving. Sport will add a bit more fun and responsiveness for dailly driving. But don't confuse these names to mean that the car won't feel powerful or fun to drive while in these modes. Floor it in either mode and you will feel your *** about to explode out the back of the seat. Its just when you are cruising, or slowing down then the car will keep the rpms low and at a good place for noise comfort and gas efficiency.
If you floor it in Normal, Sport, or super-sport then the car will behave pretty much almost the same. As long as you have the peddal floored, then it knows you are trying to accelerate. Therefore it will accelerate to almost redline, shift, accelerate to almost redline, shift. It would be just like any automatic.
Super-Sport mode allows you to actually launch the car, but you don't launch a car at a random stoplight, as it is considered "recklace driving" and illegal.
The difference is what happens when you are not accelerating. In normal mode the car will most of the time be in the most "fuel efficent" gear. This means after you've floored it and kicked the other guys *** and your just cruising at 50mph or whatever then the car will shift into a higher gear to keep the rpms low. Which is what you want. In Sport mode it will stay in a slightly lower gear in order to keep the rpms slightly higher. However in super-sport mode it will stay in the lowest gear possible in order to have the most power available for when you go to accelerate, this is not what you want in daily driving, but is perfect for track usage where your either accelerating or braking.
It is perfectly ok to cruise and do daily driving in Sport mode. It will probably be a very popular mode. Sport mode executes the shifts faster then normal mode. So if the guy next to you is reving his engine, then flip it into sport mode and floor it. It will be more "jerky" when it shifts but it will shift faster. Super-sport shifts slightly faster then sport mode, but that difference is inconsequential on the street and daily driving.
Lastly your forgetting you have the paddle shifters. Flip the car into sport mode, which will make the gear changes faster. And then use the paddle shifters to controll what gear it is in. This is the way to do it if you want some performance fun during daily driving.
This way you know you want to floor it in a second, then knock the gear down 2-3 and then floor it. You'll have all the fun you want. Or if your stopped, then flip it into manual and do the shifts yourself as you floor it.
Lastly, you have to stop questioning super-sport being intended solelly for the track. It is intended solely for the track. However, in you have more then enough controll over the car in daily driving to have all the fun you would want in normal or sport mode.
And mitsubishi put a mode that is only for use on the track because this car is a track car! its a car whose reputation comes from eating up any other car anywhere nears its price range on the track. Super-sport mode will shift the car the exact same way a professional track driver would shift. However, you have to understand that this is not at all simular to the way you shift in daily driving. Mitsubishi has for daily driving give you 2 modes, namely normal and sport.
Normal will be perfect and the best for daily driving. Sport will add a bit more fun and responsiveness for dailly driving. But don't confuse these names to mean that the car won't feel powerful or fun to drive while in these modes. Floor it in either mode and you will feel your *** about to explode out the back of the seat. Its just when you are cruising, or slowing down then the car will keep the rpms low and at a good place for noise comfort and gas efficiency.
So here's another dumb question:
when in Normal mode, the EVO X is still a pretty damn fast car right? If I floor it in normal mode, am I still going to get beef, acceleration and speed? I'm just trying to gauge the speed. The Evo X in normal mode is already a pretty damn fast car right?
and the only difference really with the GSR vs. the MR when it comes to speed is that its all how you drive your manual GSR right? and how its probably tuned too. GSR is a bit faster than the MR as I was reading in the review, but both the GSR and MR offer the same "thrilling" acceleration and speed.
The benefit of the auto transmission on the MR also is that it shifts faster than a manual could ever correct? so, this is a benefit but in what way? able to accelerate faster or something?
Last edited by Orangeblast; Apr 17, 2008 at 12:05 PM.
Sorry about my last post... my company is asking me to move somewhere and I don't wanna move and i'm in a cranky mood.
The evo will be fast when accelerating in normal mode. And remember you can quickly flip it to sport for quicker shifts and a bit more fun. But the best part is the paddle shifters, if you wanna impress your friends then use the paddle shifters. This way you can accelerate to like ~20mph, but keep it in first and your rpms will be high and that means your turbo will be adding all that kickass extra power. Then floor it, and your friends will have a headache the rest of the night.
And the only difference between normal, sport, and super-sport is how the car handles the automatic shifts. You can immitate exactly normal, sport, or super-sport with the gsr depending on how you control the shifts.
The last given is that super-sport shifts faster then basically anyone could. But keep in mind that we are talking 10ths of seconds.
As far as one being faster then the other it depends on what nubers we are talking. The GSR can be "launched" harder then the MR and hence I've seen faster 0-60 times. However, the MR shifts so fast that I've seen MR with equal if not faster quarter mile times.
But the thing to remember is that the evo is not a drag car. The 300pound active yaw control unit adds absolutelly nothing to straight-line acceleration, in fact it makes it slower due to the added wheight. But what it does do is help the evo corner faster then almost any other car. This is what is so amazing about the evo, and why it kicks *** on a track. From what I have seen the MR is probably ~1 second or so faster around the track then the GSR. This is due to the improved suspension, the SST transmission, and the slightly improved brakes.
However, what you need to recognize is that your skills are non-existent. The 1 second difference around the track doesn't apply to you, because your gonna be 30seconds slower then those times because you have no racing skills. I'm not being mean, I'm just saying you can't focus on the 1 second or 10ths of seconds because you don't posses the skill to notice the difference.
Now the SST will make you "appear" to be a better driver simply because it will do shifting for you like a pro. However, if you really wanna become a good driver then get the GSR. If you can drive the GSR fast around the track it will be so much more rewarding of an experience.
This is why I keep stressing to you that you should take the GSR. The MR does come with a bit more sound deadening and leather seats. But you can get leather in your GSR and the noise is not that bad. The trim inside the car is supposedly slightly better, but from pics I've seen I have to stress the "slightly" aspect.
The added cost is for the improved suspension and brakes and the transmission. The GSR and MR both stop at pretty much the same exact distance on 60-0 braking tests. So the difference in improved brakes is not something you will notice. You still get Brembo brakes and they are wickedly cool.
As far as shocks the MR is supposed to have a smoother ride, but the GSR is not as bumpy as you think. And shocks are an easy upgrade and you can get better shocks for your car then come on the MR.
Most people getting the MR are getting it for the tc-sst. But being as you want the awesomeness and power of the evo I strongly recommend the GSR for you. If you already had a manual and knew the experience and how to drive a stick well, then I wouldn't be pushing you soo much.
But when you get your evo your gonna know you have a good car. And your gonna be especially conscious of the fact that you have a sports car most people would love to have, but yet you don't know how to truly drive a stick. So get the GSR and get good at stick. And you will love your car.
The evo will be fast when accelerating in normal mode. And remember you can quickly flip it to sport for quicker shifts and a bit more fun. But the best part is the paddle shifters, if you wanna impress your friends then use the paddle shifters. This way you can accelerate to like ~20mph, but keep it in first and your rpms will be high and that means your turbo will be adding all that kickass extra power. Then floor it, and your friends will have a headache the rest of the night.
And the only difference between normal, sport, and super-sport is how the car handles the automatic shifts. You can immitate exactly normal, sport, or super-sport with the gsr depending on how you control the shifts.
The last given is that super-sport shifts faster then basically anyone could. But keep in mind that we are talking 10ths of seconds.
As far as one being faster then the other it depends on what nubers we are talking. The GSR can be "launched" harder then the MR and hence I've seen faster 0-60 times. However, the MR shifts so fast that I've seen MR with equal if not faster quarter mile times.
But the thing to remember is that the evo is not a drag car. The 300pound active yaw control unit adds absolutelly nothing to straight-line acceleration, in fact it makes it slower due to the added wheight. But what it does do is help the evo corner faster then almost any other car. This is what is so amazing about the evo, and why it kicks *** on a track. From what I have seen the MR is probably ~1 second or so faster around the track then the GSR. This is due to the improved suspension, the SST transmission, and the slightly improved brakes.
However, what you need to recognize is that your skills are non-existent. The 1 second difference around the track doesn't apply to you, because your gonna be 30seconds slower then those times because you have no racing skills. I'm not being mean, I'm just saying you can't focus on the 1 second or 10ths of seconds because you don't posses the skill to notice the difference.
Now the SST will make you "appear" to be a better driver simply because it will do shifting for you like a pro. However, if you really wanna become a good driver then get the GSR. If you can drive the GSR fast around the track it will be so much more rewarding of an experience.
This is why I keep stressing to you that you should take the GSR. The MR does come with a bit more sound deadening and leather seats. But you can get leather in your GSR and the noise is not that bad. The trim inside the car is supposedly slightly better, but from pics I've seen I have to stress the "slightly" aspect.
The added cost is for the improved suspension and brakes and the transmission. The GSR and MR both stop at pretty much the same exact distance on 60-0 braking tests. So the difference in improved brakes is not something you will notice. You still get Brembo brakes and they are wickedly cool.
As far as shocks the MR is supposed to have a smoother ride, but the GSR is not as bumpy as you think. And shocks are an easy upgrade and you can get better shocks for your car then come on the MR.
Most people getting the MR are getting it for the tc-sst. But being as you want the awesomeness and power of the evo I strongly recommend the GSR for you. If you already had a manual and knew the experience and how to drive a stick well, then I wouldn't be pushing you soo much.
But when you get your evo your gonna know you have a good car. And your gonna be especially conscious of the fact that you have a sports car most people would love to have, but yet you don't know how to truly drive a stick. So get the GSR and get good at stick. And you will love your car.
Last edited by ddawg1130; Apr 17, 2008 at 03:26 PM.
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Why do you think Mitsu went with an auto on their "higher end" EVO X MR?
all this time its been stick....most people want stick and drive stick when it comes to super fast sports cars....so why this auto/manual hybrid tranny?
the only thing I can really come to is that its good for marketing and opens the door to a new crowd...what else is it really bringing to the table?
all this time its been stick....most people want stick and drive stick when it comes to super fast sports cars....so why this auto/manual hybrid tranny?
the only thing I can really come to is that its good for marketing and opens the door to a new crowd...what else is it really bringing to the table?
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Why do you think Mitsu went with an auto on their "higher end" EVO X MR?
all this time its been stick....most people want stick and drive stick when it comes to super fast sports cars....so why this auto/manual hybrid tranny?
the only thing I can really come to is that its good for marketing and opens the door to a new crowd...what else is it really bringing to the table?
all this time its been stick....most people want stick and drive stick when it comes to super fast sports cars....so why this auto/manual hybrid tranny?
the only thing I can really come to is that its good for marketing and opens the door to a new crowd...what else is it really bringing to the table?
It is not your standard auto transmission. it is an automated manual transmission. This is the type of transmission being implemented and used in almost all high end sports cars now and in F1 racing cars. Mitsubishi went with the auto on the higher end MR because MR stands for "Mitsubishi Racing" and then TC-SST is a racing transmission.
You have to realize that the TC-SST is not at all simillar to a standard auto. Its a computer controlled manual transmission that can shift very well and allows the driver to focus on the course.
although i think you are correct in the respect that alot of us would have prefered to be able to get the MR version with a manual transmission. However, if you read mistubishi is also making the lancer ralliart only available with the TC-SST. And the reason for this, which i have determined partly from my conjecture and partly from reading simillar opinions in reviews, is that mitsubish spent alot of money developing the TC-SST and they need to sell it to make money back.
However, the GSR is still a wonderful car. Its perfect if you want a moddable Evo. If you were to mod your car you would most likelly buy an upgraded suspension, intake, exhaust, get it flashed and custom tuned. The GSR is perfect for this because the manual gearbox can withstand a good deal of added power which means you won't need to replace the transmission to add on ~100hp. If you go beyond that then you probably will, but I think most people will be plenty happy with another 80-100hp. And you also did not pay for the upgraded MR suspension so when you buy your aftermarket suspension your not throwing away that extra money.
Last edited by ddawg1130; Apr 18, 2008 at 11:29 AM.