I'm hooked, EVO noob here...(lots of reading and some questions)
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However, the GSR is still a wonderful car. Its perfect if you want a moddable Evo. If you were to mod your car you would most likelly buy an upgraded suspension, intake, exhaust, get it flashed and custom tuned. The GSR is perfect for this because the manual gearbox can withstand a good deal of added power which means you won't need to replace the transmission to add on ~100hp. If you go beyond that then you probably will, but I think most people will be plenty happy with another 80-100hp. And you also did not pay for the upgraded MR suspension so when you buy your aftermarket suspension your not throwing away that extra money.
I'm excited for the MR as at least I can safely test drive it.
would you say that going from a 4.0 V6 SUV (that I currently own) to a EVO X MR is like going from a VW Wagon to a race car (literally that's what it is) I should experience a pretty dramatic increase in "thrill" when test driving that MR huh?
EDIT: One more things, what in the hell is a lancer ralliart? Is ti some better version of an MR? I did a google search, it looks just like a regular EVO..but descriptions shows it has a slower engine and stuff, so perhaps its a degraded version of an MR? MR is still the highest end version of the EVO?
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Lancer is the base model. Lancer ralliart is a step up. It has the Evo 9 all-wheel drive system (no active yaw controll) and a detuned version of the Evo X engine producing 230hp and 250ft-lb torque. It's a direct competitor with the Subaru WRX and will come with the TC-SST transmission. It has the Evo alluminum hood but the rest is made of steel as opposed to the Evo that has the alluminum side panals...
The Evo is the highest version of the Lancer line-up. The MR is the highest "trim level" of the Evo.
It is not that the MR is not tune-able. It's that nobody knows how much power the new TC-SST can handle. So if you start modding it power-wise you might run into a wall where if you want to gain any more horespower you have to upgrade/replace the TC-SST. Nobody at this time knows how to upgrade the TC-SST and seeing as it is a large factor of the cost difference between then GSR and MR it would be almost stupid to replace it with a standard manual since your just tossing all that extra cash.
The only thing that I wish that my GSR had is the MR's bbs wheels. However, I plan on putting winter-tires on the stock rims and buying some new rims for summer. With the extra cash I saved by not getting the MR I can easilly afford some really nice rims of my choice.
The MR has an upgraded suspension. But again, with the extra cash I saved I could easilly buy an aftermarket suspension and get an even better performing set-up then the MR's.
Lastly, I can get aftermarket intake, exhaust, blow-off valve, boost controller, intercooler + piping and increase the HP a decent amount without much worry of whether or not the 5 speed can withstand the power increase. With new rims, suspension, and parts listed above it will admittedly cost more then it would to buy the MR. But you would have a better performing and more powerfull car.
This is why I say the GSR is the better choice for modding the car.
Latly, HKS releases upgraded versions of the Evo in england as a factory option that comes with warranty... Anyway, all the HKS upgraded versions, namelly the fq330 and fq360 both come with the 5-speed manual. This is most likelly because they just don't know if the TC-SST can handle the increased power.
Lastly, the difference in handling and power/performance from your 4.0 V6 will be significant. I think you will enjoy the test drive. Also stop worrying about not being able to drive the stick. If you go looking to buy the GSR they will teach you on the spot and it is EASY to learn.
The Evo is the highest version of the Lancer line-up. The MR is the highest "trim level" of the Evo.
It is not that the MR is not tune-able. It's that nobody knows how much power the new TC-SST can handle. So if you start modding it power-wise you might run into a wall where if you want to gain any more horespower you have to upgrade/replace the TC-SST. Nobody at this time knows how to upgrade the TC-SST and seeing as it is a large factor of the cost difference between then GSR and MR it would be almost stupid to replace it with a standard manual since your just tossing all that extra cash.
The only thing that I wish that my GSR had is the MR's bbs wheels. However, I plan on putting winter-tires on the stock rims and buying some new rims for summer. With the extra cash I saved by not getting the MR I can easilly afford some really nice rims of my choice.
The MR has an upgraded suspension. But again, with the extra cash I saved I could easilly buy an aftermarket suspension and get an even better performing set-up then the MR's.
Lastly, I can get aftermarket intake, exhaust, blow-off valve, boost controller, intercooler + piping and increase the HP a decent amount without much worry of whether or not the 5 speed can withstand the power increase. With new rims, suspension, and parts listed above it will admittedly cost more then it would to buy the MR. But you would have a better performing and more powerfull car.
This is why I say the GSR is the better choice for modding the car.
Latly, HKS releases upgraded versions of the Evo in england as a factory option that comes with warranty... Anyway, all the HKS upgraded versions, namelly the fq330 and fq360 both come with the 5-speed manual. This is most likelly because they just don't know if the TC-SST can handle the increased power.
Lastly, the difference in handling and power/performance from your 4.0 V6 will be significant. I think you will enjoy the test drive. Also stop worrying about not being able to drive the stick. If you go looking to buy the GSR they will teach you on the spot and it is EASY to learn.
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A lot of potential MR owners have mentioned that they wanted to wait for a 2nd generation TC-SST transmission on the EVO.
Would such an upgraded version of the TC-SST be available in 2009 or in a whole different newer version of the EVO? Like an EVO 11? I'm trying to understand how the year correlates with the EVO's number naming scheme.
As I understand it, EVOs aren't released every year...an EVO X could last for another 2 years correct? Then maybe an EVO 11 would come out..I'm not sure on what basis a new EVO is announced and released.
Would such an upgraded version of the TC-SST be available in 2009 or in a whole different newer version of the EVO? Like an EVO 11? I'm trying to understand how the year correlates with the EVO's number naming scheme.
As I understand it, EVOs aren't released every year...an EVO X could last for another 2 years correct? Then maybe an EVO 11 would come out..I'm not sure on what basis a new EVO is announced and released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...ncer_Evolution
Seems there's a new generation every 2 years or so.
Are they going to upgrade the TC-SST before the new model? I would doubt it, they may iron out some problems but I don't think there will be a "new" version of the tc-sst. Assuming that the tc-sst doesn't have many problems, I would be surprised if they didn't use pretty much the same tc-sst for the next few generations of the evo. Although this is all personal speculation and has absolutely no bases on anything except personal opinion.
Seems there's a new generation every 2 years or so.
Are they going to upgrade the TC-SST before the new model? I would doubt it, they may iron out some problems but I don't think there will be a "new" version of the tc-sst. Assuming that the tc-sst doesn't have many problems, I would be surprised if they didn't use pretty much the same tc-sst for the next few generations of the evo. Although this is all personal speculation and has absolutely no bases on anything except personal opinion.
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in regards to the MR and the TC-SST not holding its own when tuning and the likes:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=339767
that thread is worth a good looking at when thinking of the MR as I am. I'm curious to see how this goes.
anyone have any thoughts or opinions on the MR handling AMS equipment with no problem and only positive increases? TC-SST may be able to dish it out when it comes to more power.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=339767
that thread is worth a good looking at when thinking of the MR as I am. I'm curious to see how this goes.
anyone have any thoughts or opinions on the MR handling AMS equipment with no problem and only positive increases? TC-SST may be able to dish it out when it comes to more power.
Possibly, but the question isn't whether or not it can handle the extra power immediatelly. It's can it handle the extra power relliably? and the only way thats gonna be determined is to wait for a bunch of guinee pigs to add on a bunch of horespower and then feel really bad for them when they have to pay for an entire new 6k transmission part, or thank them for showing that its ok for you to add the hp also.
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