FJF,

I don't really know who peed in your cheerios, but seriously dude, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about.

Have you ever even worked on your car? Do you know what an Evo engine looks like taken apart? How about a 1g 6 bolt engine? Or a 2g 7 bolt? Obviously you havent. I guarantee you, if I took all three of those engines apart and layed them out in front of you, you'd never be able to tell me which parts came from which car. I have had plenty of wrench time on both, but you obviously are the more experianced one in this thread, being that you own an Evo. You are so knowlegable, in fact, that 80% of your posts are about detailing and cleaning your car. Judging by your same logic and reasoning in this thread, I can't use the same techniques to wash a set of wheels on my Honda as you do on your Evo, after all, they are completely different....

Reality is, for anybody who dosnt' know, the Evolution 7 bolt 4G63 has ALOT in common with the 2g DSM 7 bolt engine. Aside from being turned around the other way and having a slightly different flowing cylinder head design, they are very very simlar. The Evolution has a slightly higher compression ratio, but has the same size bore, stroke, rod size, ect. The older 6 bolt design was a bit stronger, with a beefier connecting rod, and a head with larger intake ports which flowed more air in terms of volume.

But regardless, spraying a 4G63 is spraying a 4G63. They are both going to respond awesomely to nitrous, and both will hold together with no issues so long as you don't get greedy with the amount of spray, and your system is set up and working properly.

 

Errr....a 4G63 from 5 years ago would be sitting in an Evo, not a DSM, which is where this began. Congratulations on bringing us full-circle.

Ironically, I suggested that the OP does his own legwork, as well. I said nothing about Nitrous and advised the OP to read the stickies and to see how we get power out of our cars for himself. My comments are located right on top of the page. While I'm humored by your righteous indignation and the seemingly undying defence of the concept, I only wish that you'd stop calling me "dude."

 

Congratulations on making this the most worthless thread ever. I really wish you would just contribute somthing worthwhile, or just not flap your gums in a thread you do not belong in.

 

I think the reason most Evo owners stay away from the Nitrous is the fact their Tunes are on the ragged edge already. To throw into the mix added O2 while not adding fuel might be a costly mistake. Not many Evo owners have the ability to change fuel maps which are a necessity when adding nitrous. Just another variable that needs a specific tune for that variable(nitrous).
And I see where a poster made reference for adding E85 and instantly making power..ohh so wrong..at least 30% more fuel is needed to see the full benefits of running E85. You can't just fill your tank up with E85 and see 50HP....
Nitrous is honestly the best bang for the buck power adder, however; that may Not be the case for every car/situation out there; on average yes Nitrous is great. Heat is the power robber on turbo cars and Nitrous can and will cool the combustion chamber, but so will water, alcohol, meth, E85......et;al
For the OP...step back and consider your Overall Goals.....and Needs....now much power and for what specific course(drag,street, RRace,AutoX, etc.)....Nitrous may Not be for you. For instance at drag racing you would most def need a controller or albeit a lowly button. You dont want to spray on the launch, but down the track to help spool the turbo...many different issues to contend with...plan, plan, plan results in achieving your goals..////\\\\

 

I had no idea that composition of alloys and camshaft profiles, as rough examples, could be judged by eye. Should I roll my yes, or is the effect of your comment self-evident?

All in all, this illustrates the crux of the matter. Unless one has direct experience with the items in question, there's no way to tell how something will behave by simply prorating the concept onto another, albeit similar, entity.

Really, I have no idea why you keep fighting with me. I advised the OP do do his own legwork and opined that taking Evo modding advice from those who don't own Evos borders on the absurd. As I said in the reply to the PM you sent me, you posted your comments and I posted mine. Yet, you keep coming back with more and more text, while advising yours truly to step away from the keyboard. Does that actually make sense to you?

But, I digress. When I failed to feed your attempts to troll me into a fight, you decided to return for another try. I guarantee that you won't be happy with this, either, so what now? Do you want me see you as a self-proclaimed Evo expert who doesn't own an Evo? Done.

 

Ever, really, or can we reflect back on the flow of the thread and witness the endless attempts by a couple of individuals to prolong a conflict of their own making? You seem to disagree with something that I wrote and that's fine. I don't have a problem with it and I wish you well.

 

Once again, we can all agree that there is differences between these engines in different applications from the engine's inception in the 70s, all the way untill the last one was made recently. Camshafts (hallow and not), intake manifolds, exahust manifolds, turbos, injectors, compression ratios, ect.

Regardless, what does that have ANYTHING to do with the basic structure of the longblock itself, and how it responds to ingesting nitrous oxide as a secondary power adder?

I don't care to e-fight with you. My point is simple: sombody asked a question, so instead of answering, you told them to search around the forums (giving no real clear answer to the OP's original question). Furthermore, instead of ending there, you decided to add in the comment that unless the person who is answering his question owns an Evo, it would be "absurd" to consider their opinion or advice. So all in all, you have accomplished nothing in the thread in terms of contributing facts, experiance, or knowlege as to inform the OP or others who read this thread about nitrous oxide. So, respond again with another smart-*** comment about non evo owners, and maybe throw in another "lol" for good measure. That, or go back to the cleaning and detailing forums.

 

OK, so the engines are not the same. Once one adds the differences in parts composition (ie, the metallurgy) along with the weight of the castings such as the pistons with smaller skirt area that were introduced in the Evo V, as another example, we come up with a powerplant that's very different internally. I'm glad you agree.

You still want to argue about this for reasons that remain a mystery.

That's why you keep returning with more and more combative comments. Sure, that makes sense.

Ahhh...so now you've become the self-appointed guardian of the forum whose rules and regulations triumph all. Great.

You'll have to forgive me for posting my opinion without your permission.

I was glad to see the OP decide to look into the matter.

If this was supposed to showcase your bitterness in no uncertain terms, you've succeeded. Are we done now, or would you like to come back for another round?

EDIT: I just took a brief look at your profile and realized that you're very young. I mean, adults typically don't write, "laying pipe with your mom." Your supporter is 19, which makes both of you young enough to be my children. As such, please accept my apologies. If I'd known, I probably would have never responded to either of you in the first place.

 

Oh my stock evo + nos = rice Evo and dsm are the same now oh my Talontunner read your sig qoutes and that will tell you where your at lol. If you can't afford a Tune then why the hell do you have a evo seriously keep it stock. Also unless you plan on buying a evo or are a vendor why would you be on here I'm def not in any 2g 1g forums lol.

 

These motors are not the same. This comes from someone who has taken apart both and built both. If you laid out the parts in front of me aside from the crank, pistons, and rods I could tell you which part came on which car. A lot has changed since our 1 and 2gs. Do I think its stupid for him to listen to just evo owners... yes.

Dsmers have been in the game a lot longer then a lot of Evo owners. Just because you do not own a Evo doesn't mean you do not know about Evos. Evos are simple to work on, they are not hard cars.

I personally do not like nitrous. Too dangerous for me but it can be done right and you can see awesome results. I think it would be wise to do the wet shot not the dry shot. Unless you have tuning abilities I do not suggest a dry shot to anyone. Free mods can make the Evo feel a lot stronger start with those. Spend your money right. Exhaust, mbc and flash. After that if your not satisfied which I am sure you will be because it feels like a different car, then you can start other mods( nitrous, cams, big turbo etc).


I do not have a evo but I am here to talk Mitsu product. Share some the the knowledge I have on evos and maybe meet some evo owners in the area. There are a lot of Evo owners on DSM forums. They know they are a lot like the DSM believe it or not it is. A turbo car is a turbo car is a turbo car. There are a lot of the same concepts.

 

+1^, i refuse to comment on anyones comments in this thread to drag it further off topic, as to who drives what. If nitrous is done right it can and still is the most bang for the buck, evo owners to tend to shy away from it, BUT that is because many fear the negatives that can go wrong opposed to its benefits. If you want to do nitrous i repeat my last post, which is to stay with a wet system, and have someone who not only is well knowledgeable with nitrous but also the evo's platform and it's ecu, if you are to remain stock ecu.