Evo IX MR vs Evo X MR
Things to consider:
X has SST which makes it fast on a track because it can shift better than most drivers, but it can only handle so much power, but with a good driver at the track/or on the streets the X will get spanked by the IX. Some people have experienced problems with frequent road course abuse on the IX MR and destroying trannys (4th gear especially) when the tranny temps get too high, BUT (!) there will soon be an upgraded gear set available for the 6 speed from TRE (team rip engineering) that supposedly will be as strong as a built 5 speed. They are not yet available, but should be soon, but meanwhile its more promising than the options available for the SST. The X has SAYC and IX does not, however non USDM models come equipped with it. IF that really bothers you, you can actually replace the front and rear diffs with aftermarket ones (Cusco or other ones for example) if you seriously were into racing/time attack, etc. to make up for not having SAYC on it, but most likely you will be blown away by the grip levels and not have a need to do that. The X has more oversteer which is fun, but there are several ways to mod your IX to get more oversteer (bigger rear sway bar, rear strut brace, TRE makes a rear diff option). How many X's have beaten time attack track records set by VIII's and IX's? None that I'm aware of, so anyone telling you "the X has more potential" then please show me a time attack or drag built X that holds faster times than the VIII/IX platform. The 4g63 block can be built to much higher hp levels than the 4b11, but I doubt that 600+whp goals are what you have in mind if you are considering an MR... I wouldnt push that SST past 400whp...
X has SST which makes it fast on a track because it can shift better than most drivers, but it can only handle so much power, but with a good driver at the track/or on the streets the X will get spanked by the IX. Some people have experienced problems with frequent road course abuse on the IX MR and destroying trannys (4th gear especially) when the tranny temps get too high, BUT (!) there will soon be an upgraded gear set available for the 6 speed from TRE (team rip engineering) that supposedly will be as strong as a built 5 speed. They are not yet available, but should be soon, but meanwhile its more promising than the options available for the SST. The X has SAYC and IX does not, however non USDM models come equipped with it. IF that really bothers you, you can actually replace the front and rear diffs with aftermarket ones (Cusco or other ones for example) if you seriously were into racing/time attack, etc. to make up for not having SAYC on it, but most likely you will be blown away by the grip levels and not have a need to do that. The X has more oversteer which is fun, but there are several ways to mod your IX to get more oversteer (bigger rear sway bar, rear strut brace, TRE makes a rear diff option). How many X's have beaten time attack track records set by VIII's and IX's? None that I'm aware of, so anyone telling you "the X has more potential" then please show me a time attack or drag built X that holds faster times than the VIII/IX platform. The 4g63 block can be built to much higher hp levels than the 4b11, but I doubt that 600+whp goals are what you have in mind if you are considering an MR... I wouldnt push that SST past 400whp...
Last edited by DJ Brett B; Aug 21, 2009 at 04:38 PM.
Things to consider:
X has SST which makes it fast on a track because it can shift better than most drivers, but it can only handle so much power, but with a good driver at the track/or on the streets the X will get spanked by the IX. Some people have experienced problems with frequent road course abuse on the IX MR and destroying trannys (4th gear especially) when the tranny temps get too high, BUT (!) there will soon be an upgraded gear set available for the 6 speed from TRE (team rip engineering) that supposedly will be as strong as a built 5 speed. They are not yet available, but should be soon, but meanwhile its more promising than the options available for the SST. The X has SAYC and IX does not, however non USDM models come equipped with it. IF that really bothers you, you can actually replace the front and rear diffs with aftermarket ones (Cusco or other ones for example) if you seriously were into racing/time attack, etc. to make up for not having SAYC on it, but most likely you will be blown away by the grip levels and not have a need to do that. The X has more oversteer which is fun, but there are several ways to mod your IX to get more oversteer (bigger rear sway bar, rear strut brace, TRE makes a rear diff option). How many X's have beaten time attack track records set by VIII's and IX's? None that I'm aware of, so anyone telling you "the X has more potential" then please show me a time attack or drag built X that holds faster times than the VIII/IX platform. The 4g63 block can be built to much higher hp levels than the 4b11, but I doubt that 600+whp goals are what you have in mind if you are considering an MR... I wouldnt push that SST past 400whp...
X has SST which makes it fast on a track because it can shift better than most drivers, but it can only handle so much power, but with a good driver at the track/or on the streets the X will get spanked by the IX. Some people have experienced problems with frequent road course abuse on the IX MR and destroying trannys (4th gear especially) when the tranny temps get too high, BUT (!) there will soon be an upgraded gear set available for the 6 speed from TRE (team rip engineering) that supposedly will be as strong as a built 5 speed. They are not yet available, but should be soon, but meanwhile its more promising than the options available for the SST. The X has SAYC and IX does not, however non USDM models come equipped with it. IF that really bothers you, you can actually replace the front and rear diffs with aftermarket ones (Cusco or other ones for example) if you seriously were into racing/time attack, etc. to make up for not having SAYC on it, but most likely you will be blown away by the grip levels and not have a need to do that. The X has more oversteer which is fun, but there are several ways to mod your IX to get more oversteer (bigger rear sway bar, rear strut brace, TRE makes a rear diff option). How many X's have beaten time attack track records set by VIII's and IX's? None that I'm aware of, so anyone telling you "the X has more potential" then please show me a time attack or drag built X that holds faster times than the VIII/IX platform. The 4g63 block can be built to much higher hp levels than the 4b11, but I doubt that 600+whp goals are what you have in mind if you are considering an MR... I wouldnt push that SST past 400whp...
Faster where dude! At some tight track? So ur telling me that that if you lightened up the x its going to faster right? Okay, so lighten up the ix as much as the you lightened up the X, hold on, add similiar modification to a substantial extent and your gonna have an overall faster x evo? No way! If not so prove me wrong. Oh, the 4g63 which means the "engine" is a better platform! Why? LOOK at the forums your on. You asked why bone stock if the x is faster than the ix mod for mod; why it wouldn't it still be faster? Answer: there 2 different engines. Common sense! The 4g63 yes has been around a lot longer I will give you that, so the time has been invested into revamping these power plants but its still improving! The 4b11has a LONG way to go! Look put it this way, the 4b11 chassis and ayc is superior no doubt. The 4g63 is making headway more than any other evo power plant at the moment. In my opinion you can always improve suspension and chassis compenents to improve handling BUT with a angine there is limitations.
yes, there are things that you can do to the IX to make it as fast as the X, but then you do the same things to the X, and it's faster than the modded IX. common sense.
as for the 4B11 vs the 4G63, the 4B11 isn't showing any limitations at all. 85whp+ with JUST A TUNE, and it's somehow inferior to the 4G? the only limitation the X MR has right now is the transmission. the X GSR doesn't have any limitations compared to the IX.
your arguement makes no sense at all. the X is a better car in every way except straight line acceleration, which the EVO was never meant for in the first place. I love the IX just as much as anyone, but i'm not dumb enough to sit and pretend that it's a better platform than the X, because it's not.
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^ I haven't kept up much with Evo X tuning, but are you sure it's 85 whp (and not approximate crankshaft hp) with just a tune (and no other mods)? I don't remember it being that high.
so to answer your question, yes, the gains are that big lol.
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the EVO X is faster at every track. i'm not telling you that lightened up the X is faster, i'm telling you that bone stock the X is faster. even with the increased weight, it's STILL faster than the IX. so bone stock the X is faster, and mod for mod it will be faster.
yes, there are things that you can do to the IX to make it as fast as the X, but then you do the same things to the X, and it's faster than the modded IX. common sense.
as for the 4B11 vs the 4G63, the 4B11 isn't showing any limitations at all. 85whp+ with JUST A TUNE, and it's somehow inferior to the 4G? the only limitation the X MR has right now is the transmission. the X GSR doesn't have any limitations compared to the IX.
your arguement makes no sense at all. the X is a better car in every way except straight line acceleration, which the EVO was never meant for in the first place. I love the IX just as much as anyone, but i'm not dumb enough to sit and pretend that it's a better platform than the X, because it's not.
yes, there are things that you can do to the IX to make it as fast as the X, but then you do the same things to the X, and it's faster than the modded IX. common sense.
as for the 4B11 vs the 4G63, the 4B11 isn't showing any limitations at all. 85whp+ with JUST A TUNE, and it's somehow inferior to the 4G? the only limitation the X MR has right now is the transmission. the X GSR doesn't have any limitations compared to the IX.
your arguement makes no sense at all. the X is a better car in every way except straight line acceleration, which the EVO was never meant for in the first place. I love the IX just as much as anyone, but i'm not dumb enough to sit and pretend that it's a better platform than the X, because it's not.
This thread will be closed fairly soon lol.. or merged with the IX vs X threads etc.
In terms of handling, there are actually two mods that will allow the IX to handle just as well as the X, if not more naturally, at a very low price (tre rear diff and acd reflash).
SST will be a limitation, but only when you're pushing more hp than anyone would ever really need. The X will be more livable overall as well. As the OP stated, he is planning to leave both cars stock. While I've seen numerous tests showing that the IX MR is actually slightly quicker in stock form on a track, if he is planning to leave the cars stock I doubt he is going to wring the cars out anyway.
In terms of handling, there are actually two mods that will allow the IX to handle just as well as the X, if not more naturally, at a very low price (tre rear diff and acd reflash).
SST will be a limitation, but only when you're pushing more hp than anyone would ever really need. The X will be more livable overall as well. As the OP stated, he is planning to leave both cars stock. While I've seen numerous tests showing that the IX MR is actually slightly quicker in stock form on a track, if he is planning to leave the cars stock I doubt he is going to wring the cars out anyway.
you never proved anything. if the car is faster right out of the gate and more receptive to mods, then yes, common sense dictates that it has more potential as a platform.
I'd take a X MR over a IX MR any day, if for nothing else the handling alone.
the whole "i would never buy an automatic" arguement is old and played out. it's like the people that do drive manuals hold themselves up above those that don't as if they are somehow better drivers than those who chose an automatic.
the dumbest part of the whole arguement is that the SST is NOT AN AUTOMATIC transmission. it's a dual clutch manual with an automatic mode. it still gives you all the control of a manual, just a lot smoother, faster, and easier.
it's also a dumb arguement because just because you choose to have a clutch pedal, that doesn't make you a better driver, or even a good driver for that matter. just look at how many idiots burn up their clutches within the first month of owning an EVO then try to blame mitsubishi for it. Before i owned the EVO i'd never daily driven a manual transmission car. i had one, but the car i daily drove and road raced/autocrossed was an automatic. i was/am a driver, not a shifter. as a driver i want whatever is faster. if the manual is faster, give me that. if the automatic is faster, give me that. if the clutchless manual is faster, give me that. at the end of the day the laptime is what's improtant, not what drivetrain was in the car that did it.
so i guess michael schumacher is some how not as good as most of the people on this board because he drove an F1 car with paddle shifters and also drives street cars with no clutch pedal. yeah, what person in their right mind would ever want anything but a traditional 3 pedal arrangement in their car?
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I wish I could put that whole quote in my signature. I'm so sick and tired of people calling the SST an automatic and putting themselves on some pedestal because they have a stick.
I understand having a stick is more of a connection with a car. I also understand that it can be a bit more "fun" to drive at times. But it is a retarded argument to say the clutch / stick is faster and or better for performance.
Also, SSP Performance has been hard at work on upgrades for the SST. With their clutch packs they are claiming 450+ whp. Soon as a bunch of people use these clutches for a significant amount of miles I'll be checking them out.
I wish I could put that whole quote in my signature. I'm so sick and tired of people calling the SST an automatic and putting themselves on some pedestal because they have a stick.
I understand having a stick is more of a connection with a car. I also understand that it can be a bit more "fun" to drive at times. But it is a retarded argument to say the clutch / stick is faster and or better for performance.
Also, SSP Performance has been hard at work on upgrades for the SST. With their clutch packs they are claiming 450+ whp. Soon as a bunch of people use these clutches for a significant amount of miles I'll be checking them out.
What are you talking about? Who gives a flyig sh&t what car is faster stock unless ur keeping it stock! Like I stated before there is a hell of alot more upgrades and a tuning platform for the ix's. Who sald the x 's are more receptive too mods than the ix??? You are basing that info on the fact that a x gets 80 whp just on a tune so its gona be better to mod! Like the ix's don't make the same if not similiar power with tunes. Oh wait 10 whp means a whole lot! LOL If that was the case why are the ix's still making records? If you haven't noticed I proved your statements meaningless on every post you made. You still haven't made my statements pointless because there facts not opinion based like yours Cheers!
What are you talking about? Who gives a flyig sh&t what car is faster stock unless ur keeping it stock! Like I stated before there is a hell of alot more upgrades and a tuning platform for the ix's. Who sald the x 's are more receptive too mods than the ix??? You are basing that info on the fact that a x gets 80 whp just on a tune so its gona be better to mod! Like the ix's don't make the same if not similiar power with tunes. Oh wait 10 whp means a whole lot! LOL If that was the case why are the ix's still making records? If you haven't noticed I proved your statements meaningless on every post you made. You still haven't made my statements pointless because there facts not opinion based like yours Cheers!
nobody keeps anything stock. agreed. but if the X is faster bone stock, it'll also be faster mod for mod...which it is.
no IX ANYWHERE is gaining anything close to 80whp with just a tune. not happening, has never been done, and likely isn't possible.
if one car gains more hp with the same mod, in this case a tune, isn't that the definition of being more receptive to mods? lol
it's the same thing with the 8 and the 9. the 9 was a better platform, period. it was faster stock for stock and mod for mod. nobody argues that. so why is it so hard to understand that the 10 is now better than the 9?
you're making less and less sense with every post, and you still haven't done anything but make speculative statements with no factual basis.