Making Power w/ a Evo9MR noob!!??

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Mar 17, 2012 | 09:51 PM
  #1  
hey guys long story short this is my first awesome car and i went from jdm to dsm and i must say smokin ss camaros is a big jump from my 2.3L accord. But on to the point im looking to start makin power on my DD a 2006 Mitsu Lancer Evo 9 MR aleady have a injen exaust with down pipe, cat delete and a hks open atmosphere bov(which I have heard is not the best for evos, but it sure sounds awesome!) I already ordered a turbo XS intake, Tein S tech springs, VIS Invader CF Hood (the stock one has a nasty crease!) My point is I want to start making economical power and have been reading alot about cams. Really im looking for opinions on which ones to get to make decent power and retain DD driveabilty and any other performance tweaks I can make to stark making serious power. I used the search feature in the noob section and searched cams and didnt come up with much. I work at a Porsche/Mclaren dealership and everyone I work with has a stupid fast car and I felt left out so I decided to finance a 06 MR with 55k on the odo. I feel like the members of this site seem to be alot more helpful and understanding as opposed to the last site I belonged to were everyone just wanted to jump down my throat(6th gen accord .com) for not knowing everthing about the car I was driving at the time. I am so happy to become a member of this forum and am so looking forward to a long and happy relationship with my new evo9 MR. Any tips/ suggestions would be ridiculously appreciated and all I am is elated to be a part of a community that will respect me and wont pass judgement on any stupid questions I may ask. Thanks in advance guys and so happy to have a new place to call home and P.S. i have an arsenal of techs willing and able to help me with any future power plans!
P.S.S. im just now discovering the Evo Modding for dummies threads so don't consider me one of those muffler bearing idiots just yet! And consider the fact that im really just fishing for performance tips!
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Mar 18, 2012 | 12:51 AM
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Hey guys long story short this is my first awesome car and i went from jdm to dsm and i must say smokin ss camaros is a big jump from my 2.3L accord. But on to the point im looking to start makin power on my DD a 2006 Mitsu Lancer Evo 9 MR aleady have a injen exaust with down pipe, cat delete and a hks open atmosphere bov,which I have heard is not the best for evos, but it sure sounds awesome!

I already ordered a turbo XS intake, Tein S tech springs, VIS Invader CF Hood (the stock one has a nasty crease!) My point is I want to start making economical power and have been reading alot about cams. Really im looking for opinions on which ones to get to make decent power and retain DD driveabilty and any other performance tweaks I can make to start making serious power.

I used the search feature in the noob section and searched cams and didnt come up with much. I work at a Porsche/Mclaren dealership and everyone I work with has a stupid fast car and I felt left out so I decided to finance a 06 MR with 55k on the odo. I feel like the members of this site seem to be alot more helpful and understanding as opposed to the last site that I belonged to were everyone just wanted to jump down my throat 6th gen accord.com for not knowing everthing about the car I was driving at the time.

I am so happy to become a member of this forum and am so looking forward to a long and happy relationship with my new evo9 MR. Any tips/ suggestions would be ridiculously appreciated and all I am is elated to be a part of a community that will respect me and wont pass judgement on any stupid questions I may ask.

Thanks in advance guys and so happy to have a new place to call home and P.S. i have an arsenal of techs willing and able to help me with any future power plans!

P.S.S. im just now discovering the Evo Modding for dummies threads so don't consider me one of those muffler bearing idiots just yet! And consider the fact that im really just fishing for performance tips!

Okay well I edited everything so that people can understand why you are posting this. First off welcome aboard you will find that not everyone in a forum is ignorant or one-sided. You will find that alot of members on her are mature in a sense and have the respect because we have beter forum moderators who regulate and who do not stand inappropriate behavior.

Also you will find a vast amount of knowledge on this website. You are off to a great start and you should look more into a tune and once you go past a number of cam manufacturers like Gsc which I have hks, and many others you will be quite pleased. Also you have to measure what kind of fuel management you will be using and most of all what do you plan on getting out of the car and how much you have in your pockets to invest in your budget. Then go from there.
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Mar 18, 2012 | 03:07 AM
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whats so jdm about your US spec accord? unless you imported it from japan. now thats Japanese Domestic Market.

my bad. couldn't help it. get rid of the bov. start reading about tuning your car. much of your power will come from that.
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Mar 18, 2012 | 09:12 PM
  #4  
Quote: Okay well I edited everything so that people can understand why you are posting this. First off welcome aboard you will find that not everyone in a forum is ignorant or one-sided. You will find that a lot of members on her are mature, in a sense, and have the respect because we have better forum moderators who regulate and who do not stand inappropriate behavior.

Also you will find a vast amount of knowledge on this website. You are off to a great start and you should look more into a tune, and once you go past a number of cam manufacturers like Gsc, which I have hks, and many others, you will be quite pleased. Also you have to measure what kind of fuel management you will be using and most of all, what do you plan on getting out of the car and how much you have in your pockets to invest in your budget. Then go from there.
I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate the positive feedback! I was half-way expecting a 6th gen accord response of how stupid I am and how I should kill myself. (LOL) But on a serious note I have noticed that my gas mileage is horrible! Like I've had the car for 5 days and have filled it twice!

The first time I filled the tank it was down to the last notch, almost below half way to E. When i filled the car, however, the pump stopped at 10.2 gallons, which I thought was strange since I read in the cars manual the car has a 14 gallon tank. That would mean there was almost 4 gallons that were unaccounted for? Is this a common thing? Or is it just a sensor malfunctioning? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

As for the fuel management hint, Im not exactly sure what that means? I would like to get the best out of my fuel consumption and at the same time I'm looking to start making legitimate power, keeping in mind that im using this car as my DD. (about 50 miles per day) So by fuel management do you mean a Tune, an ECU re-flash, or upgrading the stock fuel injectors?

As for what my budget looks like, I have a very decent job, like i said, at a Porsche Dealer, and I make about 1600-1800 biweekly. I also don't have to pay rent since my family owns the building I live in, so besides my car payment (about 400 a month) I have anywhere from 500-2000 dollars to play with each month.

My other big question is were/when should I get a tune? It seems like a lot of people keep where they get their tune done a big secret. So, when should the tune be done? Like I said, I ordered an intake and I've read that you should get a tune after an upgrade like that is performed. The reason I say this is because if I plan on getting cams in the near future, should I wait till I do that to get a tune, or should I do it after each engine mod is performed? On the other hand, should I wait until I get the tune then install the intake and cams at the same time?

My last thought is: should I stick with a Tuner who is well versed in DSM cars, or will any tuner be able to help me with making the proper adjustments to maximize my power gains? Any info on where to get a tune in the Philadelphia area would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my accord was not jdm, but I was just referring to the fact that all the parts I bought were considered to be from the jdm market. Thanks to any/everyone with any future response!
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Mar 19, 2012 | 04:37 AM
  #5  
do some bolt ons and get a tune afterward. where to get it will depend on your location. idk whats around you. do some reading around here to get familiar with tuners. you can also do a mail in tune. mellon and tscompusa does those. i think english racing does mail in too.

as for your gas mileage, yeah it will kinda suck. evos get lousy mpg to begin with. a tune can improve it, but your driving is most important. if you hot rod and hit boost all the time your mpg will be worse.

read the stickies and check out the tuning section.
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Mar 26, 2012 | 10:44 PM
  #6  
Welcome, I know the BOV sounds cool but recirculating is best for our engines, you said you had the HKS, you don't have to get rid of it just get the recirculating kit for it, you will also notice a small increase in MPG, don't quote me on that, just what I noticed when I changed mine, the previous owner had a knock off Turbo XS Vent to atmosphere. as far as mods go the choice is up to you, find a good tuner and tell them what your goals are, they can probably shed some light on which direction to go with on mods. also you can go to the Evo 1-9 section with mountains of information on just about anything. Good luck with your search for information hope I was able to help.

Luis
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Mar 26, 2012 | 10:50 PM
  #7  
Stick to bolt on and tuning before you start jumping into internals.
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Mar 27, 2012 | 04:26 AM
  #8  
Welcome, get a tune after you install some more stuff.

Fuel pump will be a needed item if it doesn't have one yet. I prefer my aero 340 over my Wally 255. But some people like the 400 after they modify the pump.

The fill up, yes. Most I ever got till the gas pump stops was 12.1

Cams would be a personal choice. I would go with a 274 cam now. The older HKS 272 cams were too mild and don't have the lift that the other cams have.

Good Luck
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Mar 27, 2012 | 08:40 PM
  #9  
OVERBOOST!!!!(p0234)
Ok guys so far I cant tell you how welcome I feel and how I can't even believe when I walk outside that the car is really mine, alas I run into my first serious issue.

Today on the way to work I was entering the highway to see a red s2000 ripping through the gears right next to me, and like any immature a hole i wanted a piece, so I down shifted to forth and hit boost pretty hard to feel the dreaded fuel cut followed by the even more dreaded service engine soon light. When I arrived at work I borrowed a scan tool to find I was throwing a p0234.(overboost!)

Im lead to believe this has occurred due to the addition of the turbo xs cone filter. As well as the HKS open atmosphere BOV. So, im currently trying to find a recirculator kit that will fit the cars existing hks bov. Will any kit fit my bov or will I have to find one thats make and or model specific?

Ill keep everyone posted on how everything pans out in the coming weeks.
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Mar 27, 2012 | 11:16 PM
  #10  
I heard good things from Kelford // Cosworth Camshaft upgrades. At that point I would also change valves / springs / retainers. Along with exhaust and re-flash.
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Apr 1, 2012 | 05:44 PM
  #11  
Check out my new cf hood!
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Apr 1, 2012 | 06:27 PM
  #12  
So some more questions to any willing to respond!
Hey guys, so Ive been talking to the techs at my work and a few have alot of experience with turbo cars as well as one that was the previous owner of an evo VIII. Now the general consensus of my co-workers is that I most likely am getting the fuel cut because of the VTA BOV. So I contacted some online sources and found a diverter kit for the HKS SSQV from tourquesolution.com and am planning on installing as soon as it arrives.

Another interval im about to reach is my oil change and was wondering if anyone had any opinions on which oil to use. I was planning on using either using Mobile 1 full synthetic or using Pennzoil full synthetic, any input would be great also I get a discount from a co-worker for oil and I can get a 12 pack of Mobile 1 for about 90 bucks so that would be my first pick.

Lastly upon installing the diverter kit I was considering getting my first tune and heres my question. Should I get a mail in tune, buy a tactrix cable and download a tune or, get a AWD dyno tune? My first pick is obviously going to be a dyno tune and have found a tuner in Lansdale (about 40 min away) that has an AWD dyno and has alot of experience with turbo tuning. A friend of mine had doubts about getting it done this way since I am using this car as my DD and said that my non existent fuel economy would get even worse. So second pick would be buy a tactrix cable and find the software to download a tune.

My biggest question about going this route is were is the best place to get a custom made tune for the mods ive performed. My co-worker suggested a member of this forum by the name of Dynoflash I think thats what he said at least. Maybe im just not used to searching this site but it seems when I try and ask these questions in the search box its difficult to find good answers to the questions im asking.

Thanks everyone in advance for any input and I will probably be posting the last question about which route to go with the tuning in a separate thread.
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Apr 1, 2012 | 07:58 PM
  #13  
Ygpm
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Apr 7, 2012 | 11:02 PM
  #14  
Quote: I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate the positive feedback! I was half-way expecting a 6th gen accord response of how stupid I am and how I should kill myself. (LOL) But on a serious note I have noticed that my gas mileage is horrible! Like I've had the car for 5 days and have filled it twice!

The first time I filled the tank it was down to the last notch, almost below half way to E. When i filled the car, however, the pump stopped at 10.2 gallons, which I thought was strange since I read in the cars manual the car has a 14 gallon tank. That would mean there was almost 4 gallons that were unaccounted for? Is this a common thing? Or is it just a sensor malfunctioning? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

As for the fuel management hint, Im not exactly sure what that means? I would like to get the best out of my fuel consumption and at the same time I'm looking to start making legitimate power, keeping in mind that im using this car as my DD. (about 50 miles per day) So by fuel management do you mean a Tune, an ECU re-flash, or upgrading the stock fuel injectors?

As for what my budget looks like, I have a very decent job, like i said, at a Porsche Dealer, and I make about 1600-1800 biweekly. I also don't have to pay rent since my family owns the building I live in, so besides my car payment (about 400 a month) I have anywhere from 500-2000 dollars to play with each month.

My other big question is were/when should I get a tune? It seems like a lot of people keep where they get their tune done a big secret. So, when should the tune be done? Like I said, I ordered an intake and I've read that you should get a tune after an upgrade like that is performed. The reason I say this is because if I plan on getting cams in the near future, should I wait till I do that to get a tune, or should I do it after each engine mod is performed? On the other hand, should I wait until I get the tune then install the intake and cams at the same time?

My last thought is: should I stick with a Tuner who is well versed in DSM cars, or will any tuner be able to help me with making the proper adjustments to maximize my power gains? Any info on where to get a tune in the Philadelphia area would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my accord was not jdm, but I was just referring to the fact that all the parts I bought were considered to be from the jdm market. Thanks to any/everyone with any future response!
I would suggest you make sure that you check out everything on the car first like whats been done to it if its been modded show pictures so that we can see what you have to further analyze what you have and whats needed.

Secondly its good to know that you have a good job now you dont have any excuses because if youcant afford to maintain or fix this car you cant really complain becasue these cars are pay to play and they are not for the timid at all. Now third as far as the gas mileage do you floor the car alot? if so just drive it nice and easy and remember its awd so your going to waste a little more gas than a rear or front wheel drive car.

With a mail in order tune which is optimal if you want an experienced person to play with the car for you if you cant find a tuenr out there. I would suggest mellon tuning. Im next in line to get my car tuned by them and you will need a couple of things. I would check in with them first to see what you need and have them do all the adjustments.

There is a logger on your stock computer on the car which has a plug port on it which is a special port that plugs into say a laptop which logs in all the data sending you feedback of how the car is running currently. Its like having a recorder with you in real time. Then in the playback you can replay what is the fuel and timing maps. The tuner will see a majority of whats going on to make adjustments and send back a proper tweeked tune just for you.

Nice hood on the car uhhh really a dynotune really isnt recommended in my eyes. Try to tune it on a street tune rather than a dyno. Really dynos dont really measure up to how the car breathes and runs on the street. Mellon or Tscompusa it is for you.
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Apr 10, 2012 | 05:51 PM
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Quote: I would suggest you make sure that you check out everything on the car first like whats been done to it if its been modded show pictures so that we can see what you have to further analyze what you have and whats needed.

Secondly its good to know that you have a good job now you dont have any excuses because if youcant afford to maintain or fix this car you cant really complain becasue these cars are pay to play and they are not for the timid at all. Now third as far as the gas mileage do you floor the car alot? if so just drive it nice and easy and remember its awd so your going to waste a little more gas than a rear or front wheel drive car.

With a mail in order tune which is optimal if you want an experienced person to play with the car for you if you cant find a tuenr out there. I would suggest mellon tuning. Im next in line to get my car tuned by them and you will need a couple of things. I would check in with them first to see what you need and have them do all the adjustments.

There is a logger on your stock computer on the car which has a plug port on it which is a special port that plugs into say a laptop which logs in all the data sending you feedback of how the car is running currently. Its like having a recorder with you in real time. Then in the playback you can replay what is the fuel and timing maps. The tuner will see a majority of whats going on to make adjustments and send back a proper tweeked tune just for you.

Nice hood on the car uhhh really a dynotune really isnt recommended in my eyes. Try to tune it on a street tune rather than a dyno. Really dynos dont really measure up to how the car breathes and runs on the street. Mellon or Tscompusa it is for you.
Well, thanks for the well versed response my friend! Sorry for taking so long to respond i worked 70 hours last week! When I went to install the recirculator flange on my HKS ssqv I broke the vacum hose connection and had to JB weld it back together but, since I bought the car I made myself a promise to never do anything half-assed or nigrig anything so I splurged and bought a Synapse Synchronic BOV which im planning on installing tomoro. Ever since I recirculated the Bov the car has been running alot better and hasnt once done a fuel cut. I think from reading that the synapse Bov will work even better than the HKS.

So as for what you said about taking pictures what would you like me to take pictures of? The motor? The exaust? Id be glad to post anything you would think would help determine mods.

I checked out Mellon tuning and they seem very legit. They also have a large selection of excellent products including affordable rotors which I plan on doing soon because my car makes a loud squeak under light breaking especially when they are hot. The pads are fine and have plenty of pad left I just assume when they are dirty It gets worse.

As for finding a good tuner in my general vicinity there are 2 that im considering R/T tuning in Lansdale and Sean Ivey's in Nj. Im pretty sure im going to do intercooler piping, header, fuel pump and, digital boost controller before making an appointment.

As for this logger you speak of are you talking about the tactrix cable to connect to a laptop or is there a usb connector built into my car? If I do get a obd to usb what software should I run? Im pretty good with computers so is there a chance I could download and install a tune myself?

Lastly ive been keeping an eye on my gas milage and fill ups and I must say it seems to always be the same. I fill up the tank and drive pretty non aggressivley and when the gas light comes on I fill up with 93. Every time its just slightly over 10 gallons. Its very strange does the light come on while theres still 4 gallons left? Im gonna give the manual a good once over and im going to the dealer tomoro to grab some oil filters so ill see what they have to say. Thats all for now
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