Not bias!thats imo..i test drove a 5.0 before it has tq.not bad,The Evo still takes the cake.!

 

But why does it take the cake? That was my point is that you didn't actually help the guy by giving him any useful information.

 

The obvious answer is that the 'Stang is very impressive .... until you have to turn.

But the Mustang isn't a bad design.
The problem is that they're made in Detroit. Where they can take the best design and turn out rubbish.

Every year the factory builds a car, they get worse.
I had an '88 Stang convertible rental that wasn't at all bad.
But a '90 rental had a top that didn't align when raised, parts barely stuck on, etc.

The old saying is, "never buy a (US) car built on a Monday or a Friday".
Since the door sticker only covers the month and year, it's safest to just avoid cars built in Michigan.

The good Fords are built in Europe.

You don't hear that "Monday/Friday" comment about Japanese cars.


Besides: A five liter engine is impressive on the track.
But you have to overcome the internal friction to turn that sucker over, even when idling at a stop light.
And idling down the road is a horribly inefficient use of a fuel injected engine.
(That "jackrabbit start" saw dates from WWII, when cars had an "accelerator pump" to squirt extra fuel in the mix to overcome the pickup lag in carburetors. That's why we don't use carbs, anymore.)

The EVO's two liter mill is an econobox engine when idling at lights.
But, once the turbo shoves an extra two atmospheres of boost into those two liters, you're running roughly the equivalent of five liters.
Without the internal friction overhead.

 

The mustang is pretty much faster around every track. Not neccesarily because it handles better but because it is the better overall performance package. They are competent from the factory and can be made to handle very well with some modification.

This isn't 1995 and Ford has come a long way since those times. When I went in to drive a 2011 I had the same preconceived notions of what Ford was in the 90s and I couldn't have been more wrong. It really was a nice car but as I mentioned previously it mostly came down to size and fear of poking my eye out.

Not sure how this is relevant. The mustang gets better mileage than the Evo.

 

By far, which is actually a huge downside to the EVO


But like I previously mentioned, my parents have a new 5.0 and I love it. I'm just concerned that it costs too much to add power to the Mustang and stay N/A in it, which is what I'd like to do. I want to stay N/A mainly because, in my opinion, there's no point in building up a 5.0 and then slapping a twin turbo on it because you pretty much just wasted ~$2k on long tube headers, cams, cold air intake, etc...

 

With about $3k u can make about 450RWHP on the stang which is a lot IMO and for the same amount of money u can make about 350AWHP on the EVO...

 

Alright guys, I have some questions. This is the Evo X i'm going to look at on Tuesday and I figure you're better to tell me about it than the dealer can (or will.) Obviously there's been some mods done and the price seems to reflect it. The dealer told me they just replaced the clutch, which has me concerned. Why would a clutch need to be replaced on a vehicle at under 45k miles unless the previous either couldn't drive, or the OEM clutch couldn't hold up to the mods? Either of those conclusions concern me. The price is more than i'm willing to pay, especially since I can find newer Evo X's with about the same miles for less money that are stock. I told the dealer that the car is about $3k more than retail value and I wouldn't be willing to pay more for a car than it's worth, that's a stupid investment. His reply was that it's priced this way because of market conditions, which I don't buy into.

What I'm asking is if y'all could take a look at the pictures and spot anything that might be of interest. I can already tell that the stock dual exhaust has been swapped for an aftermarket single outlet exhaust. Anyways, can you guys give me any opinions on if this is a good car to buy or not? Like I mentioned, I'm not willing to pay that price, so don't let that factor into your opinions. Thanks!

 

A 115 Alfa Spider is an example of what can be done by refining technologies from the age of biplanes.
But I had a friend who insisted that anything with a solid rear axle was just a truck.
(But then, they race trucks, too. )

Ford can make some fine cars. But the variation is higher. One could be good, and the one next to it in the showroom can be a lemon.

Not just the '90s. Ask Jeremy Clarkson about his GT40.

If I had to buy a Detroit car, it'd be a Ford.
But if I had to buy something made in the US, it'd likely be a DSM or Toyota.
The quality control just isn't there, in Michigan.

Only on the freeway, where the stock EVO will go on boost. (A good reason for an aftermarket boost controller.)

In the city, the smaller engine does better.
In the DC area, where three quarters of my commute is spent idling at mis-timed traffic lights --- that's why some new cars have auto-start/stop engines.

I got my best mileage on my EVO VIII by keeping it just below boost when coming to speed.

Depends where you drive.

On the freeway, you're using more of the bigger engine.
It's the people who buy 5 liter cars to drive at walking pace in the city that make me think we're approaching the Idiocracy.
(Like the people who commute in big SUVs or trucks because they "*might* need the cargo space someday".)
(For the one time in ten years you need cargo space, that's why they rent panel trucks. )



But, for the OP, for a track day comparo between a 302 and an EVO MR (2013 models):

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...tion-2391.html

 

Hahaha "There probably aren’t too many people out there cross-shopping the Ford Mustang Boss 302 and the Mitsubishi Evolution MR"

 

Anyone?

 

Just my $0.02: New clutch, trunk gutted, wideband, and fart pipe. Someone beat the **** out of this car, possibly on the 1/4 mile, repeatedly.

 

That's what I figured. They aren't willing to come off the price anyway, so it's a moot point really. Is this worth test driving or will it have so much more power that It'll be pointless? I hope that makes sense. I'd rather drive a Evo that's as close to stock as possible. They have another Evo, same year, with 80k miles that looks to be stock except for a cold air intake. I think i'll just test drive that one instead to get a feel for it.

 

I drove a 335i today and fell in love

 

Yup. Intentionally going for the best mileage but still driving appropriate speeds, I actually got 32.2 mpg in my bone stock Evo IX earlier this year, and the week before that, I got 31.9 mpg, documented in my Fuelly account. But on more typical highway trips, I'll usually get something between 23-26 mpg, depending on how much traffic I hit (or how many times I decide to accelerate hard).

For the OP -- we already know how the cars perform stock, and how the cars respond to mods. At this point, I'd say just get whichever car will make your life easier, assuming that you will just be sticking with one car. I bought my Evo new a while back and still have it and am in my early 30s, but it's just a solid combination of fun and practicality, with AWD and four doors. Not that anyone needs to be Mr. Unique, but Mustangs are just so common.

Which 335i did you test drive? BMWs worry me.

 

Yeah, a BMW is something I might lease... so I could get rid of it easily after the warranty was up.

Maybe that's just me.