Seems like it was around 6K but I really don't remember for sure. I didn't have the GTI very long and I took the Eibachs off the Z and put on the NISMO suspension.

 

Yeh, they eibachs sag. It's a bad thing because you'll loose some of the suspension qualities of having a progressive springs.

And they sag differently, so your right will be higher than your left side.

Eibach is not the best spring manufacturer in the world, BTW. They're expensive and they sag, like a granny.

 

or better yet, don't replace your stock parts with junk, and that applies to 90% of the coilovers around here as well as most of the springs.

a set of "coilovers" that sells for $800 is NOT an improvement to this chassis. it's crap. in fact, i'll go out on a limb and say any company that makes a set of coilovers that sells for $800 isn't capable of improving our suspension at any price. if they knew what it took, they wouldn't be selling the tinkertoy sets.


i'm not gonna revisit my rant from the other thread:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=91937

but people spout this BS like it's fact, and it just isn't. the fact is that you CAN replace your springs in order to tune the cornering performance of the car, to a modest degree. anything beyond that requires dampening adjustment, and adjustment beyond that requires height adjustment. but frankly, ANY coilovers are far more capable of screwing up your setup than improving it. and the way people here install them every day, that's exactly what they're doing.

 

yes, eventually.
no, i haven't, personally.
...and their german plant does, indeed.

but i think their US produced products are inferior to those produced overseas, for a few specific reasons. and not knowing which applications are produced where, i avoid them entirely.

overall good quality, and good design and engineering across the product line. but i don't like their stateside manufacturing methods, they're bound to cause sagging over time.

funny, i've never seen this mentioned here before, now i feel like i have a lot more empirical evidence to back me up...

 

Springs Ruined my cars ride and handling and caused damage, get Coil overs or get a rear sway bar, that is it.

 

.... care to enlighten us on the "how" and what springs you had?

There doesn't seem to be much grey in this subject matter. People are saying they either love aftermarket springs.. or they hate em..

I'd like to hear more why people hate them.. those are the people who are gonna convince me one way or the other.

 

Well I Used The Eiabach Pro-kit In My Evo And Thay Have A Lighter Spring Rate Than The Stock Springs. Thay Look Good And Ride Better, But The Car At Track Speeds Is All Over The Place. No Body Control. The Tien Coil Overs Were The Best
Improvement To That Car. $1,500.00 With Out The Electronic Control Is The Best
Performance For The Bucks.you Can Totaly Adjust The Ride Hight And Dampining.

 

this is my take on this.. i musta repeated this too many times but here goes.....

there is no way you can throw a couple hundred dollars and improve what mitsu has spent thousands to improve.... maybe if your michael schumacher with an extensive experience in track racing but i know like most of us, we are all amateurs. the only two things u get out of it is lower center of gravity and good looks. you will probably change your handling characteristics of the evo, even WITH the alignment and for the worst. trust me, there is no way handling is a "bolt-on" matter like power... thats why people think its all about stiff springs or stiff chassis and then you hear about those accidents where the evo suddenly oversteered or how people messed with handling and now their evo handles like a buick... please dont touch your shocks unless your going for the full coil-over kits where you can adjust or you have an experienced track buddy helping you adjust as you go.

 

Yeah it is a hard call. Just cause it is lower does not make it better.

 

true everything mifesto says but allow me to play devils advocate...

Mitsu spend a lot of $$$ to develope a car that has good performance balanced/offset by ride comfort, ride height clearance, ... etc etc... and point here is, not for optimal perf. so it can improve your car's handling characteristics to change the suspension but like mifesto stresses, it's not as easy as poppin in something from the store.

 

The H and R's are like granite. You will suffer.

 

Same here, it ran like ****. It felt I was commanding a Water bed. Think about it. The car has 60F-40R Weight distribution. Then you slam the nose, with springs that are BARELY stronger then stock yet have 1-2 inches of lowering to deal with and now maybe 70% of teh weight on the nose.


Honestly anyone who says that springs make their car handle really hasn't driven it to its full potential. Get Coilovers....

 

agreed

 

huh....that's interesting. Why do you think that? How would you know that the US coils were inferior? But I happen to know a little bit about the manufacturing methods over here stateside is excellent. I also know that the Germany manufacturing plant is as well. They both use the same %$&*%$#ing equipment. They also use the same wire too! Can you believe that? All of the machinery in the US plant matches that of the German plant. I have been through both thoroughly as I used to manage the motorsports dept. there. In fact the US facility is out in front as far as manufacturing tolerances go. 100% of the "imperial/2.0"/2.25"/2.5"/3.0" ID coils that are used in top level cars worldwide. Germany manufactures to looser tolerances, as does H&R, which by the way is just down the street from Eibach.

Anyway, US parts are made to very strict manufacturing methods, using fully automated CNC coilers, Grinders, and Shotpeening equipment. US made springs make up a large portion of the professional fields in NASCAR, ALMS, IMSA, IRL, CART to name a few. There is not too much difference other that a slightly looser tolerance , which most likely would miss slightly on a final rate by maybe five pounds. You'd probably not even feel 25 lbs! Anyway, the fact is that the Pro-kit spring is designed nowhere near it's ultimate stress level, therefore it is "block-resistant", meaning that once the spring has been "set" to it's designed limit, it will sag not! the spring actually changes length/height during the process of manufacture. The spring is wound longer than the desired "set length" basically your final height. Heat treated, Ground, Shot peened, which actually relaxes the spring. Next comes the preset (a hydraulic ram which compresses the spring till it is fully coil bound) It is now block resistant. Thee are other things to take into account when taking about sag, dampers, worn upper mounts....blah...blah

 

Hi everybody, I am Alex (newbie), I am not sure if my question should be here.
I going to lower my car this weekend, like most aftermarket springs, the front lower more than the rear, HOW CAN I ADJUST MY HEAD LIGHTS? I could not found any adjustment screws for my HID head lights, my evo come with the load compesation adjuster inside, but I am sure that won't do what I want. Please help.