right, rev matching FTW...

lightning quick shifts, right in the meat of the powerband...

 

The time it takes for your brain to transmit an action potential through your nerves to your hand is like 40-80 ms (and that doesn't even count the additional time it would take to move your hand to complete a manual shift maneuver).

The time it takes for a twin clutch to shift up is 8ms.

Theoretically the SST would have already shifted to 10th gear before your hand even started to move after thinking about shifting your manual to 1st.

 

^Whats even scarier is exactly what you said but I will re-iterate it.

Automatic DSG's will shift faster than anything else out there. Even a Professional Drag racer on meth will not out shift these things. Lets hope the downshift logic and rev matching is there on the down shifts.

 

I just think that it sucks that they're discontinuing the RB26.

 

From windingroad:

"Using the newly launched micro site to whip former Skyline die-hards into a foaming frenzy..."

http://news.windingroad.com/countrie...ed/#more-10202

Compare that to the X.
With over 4 previews of X, there is no frenzy from evo die-hards at all.
Instead, there is a lot of head scratching, trepidation, and hopeful wait-and-see.

 

It's because there never was an Aspec GTR. 99% of the US market will be first buyers of the model, they have nothing to compare it to or defend their egos against.

If the Evo X was the first Evo ever to land on US shores, we'd all be pissing ourselves with glee.

 

+1

 

This reminds me of the E60 M5, being redesigned to accommodate a 6speed manual transmission for the US market. Just cause everyone wanted their thrid pedal.

 

i have a 6 speed DSG on my '07 GTI and i must say that it is absolutely fantastic. as we've heard from a few other individuals, the shifts perfectly executed, instant and smooth. and i could never get enough of those perfectly rev-matched downshifts at the poke of a paddle.

 

Ferrari is just now getting the paddle shifter right. Paddle shifters on everything else is garbage. I have driven the m3 smg and it's crap. 4 more years and the m3 and gt-r may have it right. Maybe 8 years before the evo has it right. Until then I will stick with the good old manual shifter.

 

hey toolbag...

go drive a DSG equipped VW / Audi...

comparing the SMG to DSG is retarded...

 

I think that the whole DSG transmission is a matter of preference. I completely concede that DSG or any other flavor a automated clutch based transmission is superior to the skills of most, if not all, drivers.

However, I can't imagine cars such as the Elise or the Atom ever getting this type of transmission. Those cars (and I think the Evo) are all about the driver's experience. There's a certain satisfaction of pulling off a perfectly rev matched downshift that most people simply will not understand.

It's about you controlling the car versus a computer doing your work for you. Effective, yes. As satisfying, no.

 

but the elise and atom were meant to be fun first and foremost. people here are still talking about the evo as if it were an actual rally car right out of WRC and not a mass produced production car...

it's a personal choice. go fast or have fun. you can't have both.

 

i think HPA has clutch kits or something to handle more power on the DSG but they're really expensive and requires a ton of work to install.

the design of the DSG/twin clutch is not inherently "bad". VW obviously went conservative with their dsg. mitsu said from the beginning their twin clutch will be better and so far it looks to be so. it doesn't upshift at redline in manual mode and lets you bounce off redline to your heart's content.

now the GT-R is going to have a DSG and it's supposedly making 550 hp. and of course the veyron's dsg can withstand 1001 hp. this just shows the inherent design is not a bad design. it just depends on how stout you want to make it. of course the more hp you can take the more money it costs.

seriously, for the price, the EVO X is a great value.

 

Completely agreed. The Elise and Atom serve a market that is much smaller than the Evo, and because they're not mass produced the manufacturers don't have to make any concessions whereas Mitsubishi has to. We've got to face it. Mitsubishi is after more sales and to do that, it must sell an auto.