Future suggestions for the EVO XI
Evolving Member
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Utah
People can flame me for this all they want but the 4g is flawed in comparison to the 4b.
1. Much better head flow from the 4b. Cosworth and a few others have stated this.
2. Individual coils enough said.
3. Direct acting valvetrain.
4. The exhaust manifold in the back keeps heat out of the engine, lets the engine sit lower, and keeps the exhaust manifold away from the radiator. I mean I never understood why to put an exhaust manifold only inches from the part that cools the motor...
5. They are both built for boost this is true. But how old again is the 4g? I love the 4g as much as the next guy. It is one of my favorite engines.
I always have to put down the sr guys because they try to argue that the sr is better but I say not so much.
6. the 4b has an aluminum block. Bad and good. Cant push as much boost well not until its sleeved. Then for the good part. It disperses heat a lot better than a cast block.
I really think about the only thing that the 4b is missing is direct injection. Oh and some people would say that a square motor like the 4b is a better design than non.
1. Much better head flow from the 4b. Cosworth and a few others have stated this.
2. Individual coils enough said.
3. Direct acting valvetrain.
4. The exhaust manifold in the back keeps heat out of the engine, lets the engine sit lower, and keeps the exhaust manifold away from the radiator. I mean I never understood why to put an exhaust manifold only inches from the part that cools the motor...
5. They are both built for boost this is true. But how old again is the 4g? I love the 4g as much as the next guy. It is one of my favorite engines.
I always have to put down the sr guys because they try to argue that the sr is better but I say not so much.
6. the 4b has an aluminum block. Bad and good. Cant push as much boost well not until its sleeved. Then for the good part. It disperses heat a lot better than a cast block.
I really think about the only thing that the 4b is missing is direct injection. Oh and some people would say that a square motor like the 4b is a better design than non.
Personally I never had an issue with the 4b, just the extra 300 lbs it has to haul around. The fact that a 4 cyl engine can make a 3500 pound car seem remotely fast is heroic to me. Put any great engine inside a tank and it will seem like a turd. Heck, I think the IX's are too heavy at 3200 lbs!
I did find the latest listed weight for an X RS, it's 1420kg or 3,124 lbs. Translated from Mitsu Japan:
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...%2fspe_02.html
I realize that's with the smaller wheels, rotors, no stereo, etc. But even after all that was added you wouldn't be far off the IX weight.
So if I could get an X that weighs the same or less than a IX with the 4b, added safety equip, stiffer frame, good looks, etc etc...sign me up!
I did find the latest listed weight for an X RS, it's 1420kg or 3,124 lbs. Translated from Mitsu Japan:
http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/trans...%2fspe_02.html
I realize that's with the smaller wheels, rotors, no stereo, etc. But even after all that was added you wouldn't be far off the IX weight.
So if I could get an X that weighs the same or less than a IX with the 4b, added safety equip, stiffer frame, good looks, etc etc...sign me up!
Evolving Member
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Utah
Why should we go back to the 4g?? Should ford go back to the 7.3 liter just because that people don't like the 6 liter in the power joke???
The engine is a dinosaur lets face it. Easy to work on? Ha ha no car is easy to work on IMHO. I mean there are easier to work on cars. But none are easy. Maybe just because I get irritated and start dropping the F bomb all the time ha ha.
But the 4b11 is a damn good engine. All the reasons are listed above as to why. But the car just needs to go on a damn diet and not be so heavy.
The engine is a dinosaur lets face it. Easy to work on? Ha ha no car is easy to work on IMHO. I mean there are easier to work on cars. But none are easy. Maybe just because I get irritated and start dropping the F bomb all the time ha ha.
But the 4b11 is a damn good engine. All the reasons are listed above as to why. But the car just needs to go on a damn diet and not be so heavy.
People can flame me for this all they want but the 4g is flawed in comparison to the 4b.
1. Much better head flow from the 4b. Cosworth and a few others have stated this.
2. Individual coils enough said.
3. Direct acting valvetrain.
4. The exhaust manifold in the back keeps heat out of the engine, lets the engine sit lower, and keeps the exhaust manifold away from the radiator. I mean I never understood why to put an exhaust manifold only inches from the part that cools the motor...
5. They are both built for boost this is true. But how old again is the 4g? I love the 4g as much as the next guy. It is one of my favorite engines.
I always have to put down the sr guys because they try to argue that the sr is better but I say not so much.
6. the 4b has an aluminum block. Bad and good. Cant push as much boost well not until its sleeved. Then for the good part. It disperses heat a lot better than a cast block.
I really think about the only thing that the 4b is missing is direct injection. Oh and some people would say that a square motor like the 4b is a better design than non.
1. Much better head flow from the 4b. Cosworth and a few others have stated this.
2. Individual coils enough said.
3. Direct acting valvetrain.
4. The exhaust manifold in the back keeps heat out of the engine, lets the engine sit lower, and keeps the exhaust manifold away from the radiator. I mean I never understood why to put an exhaust manifold only inches from the part that cools the motor...
5. They are both built for boost this is true. But how old again is the 4g? I love the 4g as much as the next guy. It is one of my favorite engines.
I always have to put down the sr guys because they try to argue that the sr is better but I say not so much.
6. the 4b has an aluminum block. Bad and good. Cant push as much boost well not until its sleeved. Then for the good part. It disperses heat a lot better than a cast block.
I really think about the only thing that the 4b is missing is direct injection. Oh and some people would say that a square motor like the 4b is a better design than non.
as for the rest of the car.
I was hoping the X would have significantly more power than the IX. More power can be had if the factory tuned them much like a cobb ap stage 1 tune. safe, reliable and proven power.
I wouldn't mind the 5 speed but drop the final drive ratio from 4.7 (this would only work with more power). I know the final drive is like that to keep the acceleration numbers but it is seriously killing highway mpg and 1/4 mile speed.
they fixed it for 2010 but the 08 driver's info screen was utter crap.
make the interior plastic feel less cheap and fix the rattles!!!
the MR should have a 6spd manual option like the older MR's.
other than that the X is perfect. and most of these things can be fixed one way or another.
Evolving Member
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Utah
I do agree that they need a better interior.
The evo is well known for its acceleration. I know that because a lot of people talk about it. I would agree to drop that final drive. I mean this has the worst MPG of any stock 4 banger that I can think of off the top of my head.
And yes add a lot and I mean a lot more options to the damn thing. You have two series. Then you have two tranny choice.
But the factory tune is pretty sad. I know you can gain a lot of power from just a base map tune and that is sad how much you do gain IMHO. Its as if they were afraid of what the hell it could do so the tune it to run like absolute garbage.
The evo is well known for its acceleration. I know that because a lot of people talk about it. I would agree to drop that final drive. I mean this has the worst MPG of any stock 4 banger that I can think of off the top of my head.
And yes add a lot and I mean a lot more options to the damn thing. You have two series. Then you have two tranny choice.
But the factory tune is pretty sad. I know you can gain a lot of power from just a base map tune and that is sad how much you do gain IMHO. Its as if they were afraid of what the hell it could do so the tune it to run like absolute garbage.
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Joined: Oct 2003
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From: belgium
Some improvements to be made to the EVO XI:
- make it lighter
- make it a bit wider to improve balanced traction on the limit
- do something on the fuel consumption
- keep the X brakes, they're far better then any generation so far.
- make it lighter
- make it a bit wider to improve balanced traction on the limit
- do something on the fuel consumption
- keep the X brakes, they're far better then any generation so far.
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Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 18
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From: NY/CA
Through my years of racing and street fun I'd like to see the evo XI weigh less than 3100lbs and have the power upped to atleast 320, that is so do-able. Bigger engine would be perfect so you dont have to fry the clutch so start off, and it will make a lot more power.
We all know that 2.0L is the limit for rally but most of us i'd say 85%+ wont be using it for rally racing, it'll simple be a street track car that we all enjoy and want to make faster, fast is never fast enough lol. Keep the engineers on top of their game.
We all know that 2.0L is the limit for rally but most of us i'd say 85%+ wont be using it for rally racing, it'll simple be a street track car that we all enjoy and want to make faster, fast is never fast enough lol. Keep the engineers on top of their game.
