What's the next evolution
Variable turbine technology would be a cool option too. Then maybe they could keep the small displacement with more linear power.
I will say coming from an Evo to a 335 the displacement and higher compression are nice things to have. It's nice to be able to run the A/C and not have to slip the clutch to get away from a red light.
Lancia is a completely different brand then Mitsubishi.
I will say coming from an Evo to a 335 the displacement and higher compression are nice things to have. It's nice to be able to run the A/C and not have to slip the clutch to get away from a red light.
Lancia is a completely different brand then Mitsubishi.
Last edited by hotrod2448; Jan 4, 2009 at 04:15 PM.
Higher compression would only be good to a certain point. After it gets so high it negates pushing high boost.
As far as having to slip the clutch with the A/C on I never had to do that. You can get grounding kits to make the A/C not pull so much on the engine. It seemed to help me but that's just judging by not seeing such a big jump in load when it was on. Lighting the car up a bit would be nice though. Variable turbine tech would be nice though.
As far as having to slip the clutch with the A/C on I never had to do that. You can get grounding kits to make the A/C not pull so much on the engine. It seemed to help me but that's just judging by not seeing such a big jump in load when it was on. Lighting the car up a bit would be nice though. Variable turbine tech would be nice though.
Higher compression would only be good to a certain point. After it gets so high it negates pushing high boost.
As far as having to slip the clutch with the A/C on I never had to do that. You can get grounding kits to make the A/C not pull so much on the engine. It seemed to help me but that's just judging by not seeing such a big jump in load when it was on. Lighting the car up a bit would be nice though. Variable turbine tech would be nice though.
As far as having to slip the clutch with the A/C on I never had to do that. You can get grounding kits to make the A/C not pull so much on the engine. It seemed to help me but that's just judging by not seeing such a big jump in load when it was on. Lighting the car up a bit would be nice though. Variable turbine tech would be nice though.
The gutlessness with the A/C on pretty well documented on the VIII's. I don't know about the IX's. I guess the Mivec could help them a bit. I had a grounding kit on my car too but, it has absolutely nothing to do with how much horsepower it takes to run the A/C compressor since it is a pump driven off the engine and not electrical system.
Hmm maybe so. But in my IX i didnt have much trouble with the A/C. Thats a lot of boost on 10:1 compression! I knew direct injection helped but wow.
As far as mivec goes can't you control lift also?? doesn't VVTI and VTEC from Toyota and Honda control lift?
I looked a little more into the variable turbine geometry. That would be nice if it was engineered well enough to hit a high peak torque fast and level off and hold the torque throughout rather than drop off.
I know there is other things that would be nice for them to add but I just can't think of them now.
As far as mivec goes can't you control lift also?? doesn't VVTI and VTEC from Toyota and Honda control lift?
I looked a little more into the variable turbine geometry. That would be nice if it was engineered well enough to hit a high peak torque fast and level off and hold the torque throughout rather than drop off.
I know there is other things that would be nice for them to add but I just can't think of them now.
You are probably thinking about the aluminum/magnesium hybrid block BMW ditched for the 335.
I believe the Euro-spec 330i has direct injection. I read it in a column written by Csaba Csere in Car and Driver a few months back, when he was writing about the ideal 30mpg 3000lb car.
Weight reduction would be awesome, but you know that's not gonna happen as the trend has been for bigger Evos instead of how no-frills it was in the very beginning.
Weight reduction would be awesome, but you know that's not gonna happen as the trend has been for bigger Evos instead of how no-frills it was in the very beginning.
DI and turbos work beautifully together. mitsu has made the most powerful and efficient engines from a turbo Di setup.
also i remember my teacher telling me the ridiculous air fuel ratios that they can run.
"Mitsubishi states that total combustion chamber air/fuel ratios of 35 – 55:1 can be used. This can be compared with a conventional port fuel injected engine that seldom uses an air/fuel ratio leaner than 14.7:1."
LETS SEE THIS ON 2010 X! ****s be out since 97 damnit!
also i remember my teacher telling me the ridiculous air fuel ratios that they can run.
"Mitsubishi states that total combustion chamber air/fuel ratios of 35 – 55:1 can be used. This can be compared with a conventional port fuel injected engine that seldom uses an air/fuel ratio leaner than 14.7:1."
LETS SEE THIS ON 2010 X! ****s be out since 97 damnit!
US regulations have driven up the weight more than added features. That is why we did not have an 07 model and the rest of the world did. The lack of airbags in the 06 prevented Mitsu from importing them after the new rles went into effect. I think more power is needed to combat more weight. This is why I went with the ix and not the x. If the x came stock in the 320 HP range I might be driving a different car now.
Most likely:
- The next two generation is going to be based on Lancer, chassis may remain CZ4A or slightly modified to use a different code
- As long as it is based on Lancer, it will not lose weight, unless Civic, Mazda3, Corolla etc loses weight as well. As mentioned above, other than consumers demanding more space, more features and more powers, the next big contributor to weight gain is the emissions control & safety regulations
- Future one has a possibility to be based on Colt but still unlikely
- Variable vane turbine may not be a good idea on at least for now, as evo's main focus is group A and group N wrc. Which means they need a turbo with minimal moving parts, can handle extreme heat, and pointless to go over 300hp. It is also probably too expensive for the production car especially since it is one of the more common part people usually replace. Adding a couple grand on 120k car is not much of a big deal but on a 30-40k car it is
- Brake upgrade, the evo had 4pot front 2pot rear for too long, since 6pot - 4pot are getting much cheaper than before, and same for 2 piece rotors, they may become the standard soon. Slotted rotors are unlikely though due to much faster pad wear. However, we may not see carbon-ceramic brakes on evos anytime soon
- Clear tailights with red and amber LEDs, LED headlights may make it to the next chassis replacement (XIII or later), if most Audi's, Aston Martins and Subaru WRX STI manage to make it a hit. I am not really a big fan of them though
- Premium trim and SST is most likely going to stay. Evo and STI have been wanting for upscale trim for quite a long time now (look at STI A-line and evo VII GT-A) and the Premium seems to have been a hit saleswise. Premium trim is basically the difference between GSR and MR interior features, such as the upgraded audio, leather, extra airbags, suspension and wheel upgrade etc. If you look at cars like Corvette, 911, M3, it isn't the most basic and stripped version that is generating the most profit, nor the most hardcore performance versions, it has always been the ones with full or near full option usually with automated transmissions
- The next two generation is going to be based on Lancer, chassis may remain CZ4A or slightly modified to use a different code
- As long as it is based on Lancer, it will not lose weight, unless Civic, Mazda3, Corolla etc loses weight as well. As mentioned above, other than consumers demanding more space, more features and more powers, the next big contributor to weight gain is the emissions control & safety regulations
- Future one has a possibility to be based on Colt but still unlikely
- Variable vane turbine may not be a good idea on at least for now, as evo's main focus is group A and group N wrc. Which means they need a turbo with minimal moving parts, can handle extreme heat, and pointless to go over 300hp. It is also probably too expensive for the production car especially since it is one of the more common part people usually replace. Adding a couple grand on 120k car is not much of a big deal but on a 30-40k car it is
- Brake upgrade, the evo had 4pot front 2pot rear for too long, since 6pot - 4pot are getting much cheaper than before, and same for 2 piece rotors, they may become the standard soon. Slotted rotors are unlikely though due to much faster pad wear. However, we may not see carbon-ceramic brakes on evos anytime soon
- Clear tailights with red and amber LEDs, LED headlights may make it to the next chassis replacement (XIII or later), if most Audi's, Aston Martins and Subaru WRX STI manage to make it a hit. I am not really a big fan of them though
- Premium trim and SST is most likely going to stay. Evo and STI have been wanting for upscale trim for quite a long time now (look at STI A-line and evo VII GT-A) and the Premium seems to have been a hit saleswise. Premium trim is basically the difference between GSR and MR interior features, such as the upgraded audio, leather, extra airbags, suspension and wheel upgrade etc. If you look at cars like Corvette, 911, M3, it isn't the most basic and stripped version that is generating the most profit, nor the most hardcore performance versions, it has always been the ones with full or near full option usually with automated transmissions






