Mitsu Is On A Roll
Yeap I actually agree with your theory... less oil demand means gas prices will plummet in which case its all good for people who still want gas cars... I mean, I'm all for new technology but if they bring an unappealing and slow non-sporty Evo 11, then you'll see me trying to grab a 2011 low mileage Evo X myself
hey, if all goes well and EVs dominate the world in a few years... then that means we can see gas prices back to $1 a gallon lol
hey, if all goes well and EVs dominate the world in a few years... then that means we can see gas prices back to $1 a gallon lol
The electric technology will get better with time, it might not be what you are used to but the next generation will grow to love it. Gasoline engines aren't completely phased out but lets face it you have to adapt with change. If not well just continue to love the muscle cars that used to be.
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It doesn't matter how much we as Americans cut back. Whether or not you believe in peak oil or not, there is a finite supply of that stuff and only so much is coming out of the ground at this moment. So what if America goes green, there's a billion Chinese and a billion Indians who are all motorizing as we speak. The few drops we save are used up many times over as their demand grows and grows each day. There's no stopping them.
I think by adding start/stop technology and/or mild hybridization we can prolong the life of the ICE for another 50 years.
After that I won't care.
I think by adding start/stop technology and/or mild hybridization we can prolong the life of the ICE for another 50 years.
After that I won't care.
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I used Honda as an example because they are considered a poster child of innovation, foward thinking powertrains and fuel economy. I also meant specifically the Honda brand, so the fail that is the Acura RL does not apply here. I would not lump the Pilot in with the Ridgeline because not having a V8 option in the Pilot has not hurt its sales, it isn't what its buyers are looking for in that size category. The Ridgeline has never been a success and I really don't think a V8 would help it.
No one has proven in this country that people will buy a non domestic, non fullsized, diesel powered truck. So you (and I) are just speculating on this, but the facts are it has not been done. I am saying it is not wise for Mitsubishi to jump into this market when so many before have failed. Toyota has failed with the Tundra and the Tacoma is selling less and less every year. The domestics rule the truck market and nothing seems to be able to change that. Mahindra was supposed to come here and give the market a small cheap diesel truck and it has so far been unable to come on board. I don't think Mitsubishi believes it would be wise to spend millions federalizing a diesel Triton to build in Normal.
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So, how is that engine superior?
The Ford is also a more expensive, heavier vehicle with a larger engine. I'd run the numbers on it, but it really doesn't matter. My point is the 3.0 is not at the bottom of the barrel as you imply.
if you want to talk about honda specifically, i was thinking about the ridgeline. from the get go no v8 means fail.
i agree. im simply saying that mitsu's trucks are made with diesel in mind.
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mitsubishi sucks. it's about time they axe those useless pathetic cars. maybe now they'll build something worth owning other than the EVO. everything else they make sucks, and always has sucked. they should sneak over to the honda, nissan, toyota, or even hyundai plants and try to see how to make a good car.
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Hmmm, the Tribeca starts at 30 grand and tops out at 36 whereas the Outlander starts at 25 and gets to about 28 with AWC. I don't see how that is a direct competitor. The Forester is closer in size to the Outlander and it is not available with the 3.6L. A 3.6L Outback starts in the high 20's as well. Gas mileage is easy, Mitsubishi gets 19/25 compared to 16/21 for the Subaru. Power, well the Subaru has more, but it is a larger engine. 256/3.6 = 71.1hp per liter for the Subie. 230/3.0 = 76.6 hp for the Mitsubishi. Mitsu wins again.
the outback get 18/25 with a 3.6L 256 hp engine.
the tribeca is a crap car, always was, and i shall not talk about it.
the forrester was 2009 motor trend suv of the year. the outback 2010. yes both are larger cars than the outlander, and so may cost a bit more. HOWEVER they both offer engines which are as powerful/more powerful than the V6 outlander, and they both get similar mpg.
as for ford, i just mentioned them because they had the ***** to use their new V6 from the mustang in a crossover. a move i doubt mitsu would ever do. its the equivalent of putting the eclipse 3.8 in the outlander....
I completely disagree that americans wouldnt buy diesel velicles, I live am stationed in the middle of a frozen hell in ND and for being a small town you'd be suprised how many people have diesel velicles that areo't turcks and velichles that run off other methods besides gas (E85).
In my opinion now that the cost of fuel has risen to the current levels, the US market is ripe for highly efficient diesel powered vehicles, and Mitsubishi could leverage their diesel technology to easily compete with the popular 50 MPG Volkswagon TDI.
My big diesel powered Ford 4x4 sits much more than it is driven these days since my Raliart is my daily driver now. But even though I love HP cars like the Evo and bought my RA purely for fun, I am certain that sales of these cars account for only a fraction of the market for pick-ups and economical small cars like the VW TDI. Personally I think Mitsu would be wise to consider the US market for diesel powered vehicles, that could be the "shot in the arm" they need to bring them back from life support!
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But you mentioned the 3.6L as the one being compared. You can't cherry pick stats from one car to another. Either we're talking about 3.6L equipped vehicles or we are not.
Well that's why its hard to make a comparison to just two engines, you have to talk about the vehicles they are installed in and when you do that, the amount of money they cost, the shape and weight of the vehicle they are in all come in to play when determining gas mileage. On its its own, the 3.0L Mitsu has nothing to be ashamed about when compared to the 3.6L Subaru when it comes to hp/liter.
the outback get 18/25 with a 3.6L 256 hp engine.
the tribeca is a crap car, always was, and i shall not talk about it.
the tribeca is a crap car, always was, and i shall not talk about it.
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But you mentioned the 3.6L as the one being compared. You can't cherry pick stats from one car to another. Either we're talking about 3.6L equipped vehicles or we are not.
Well that's why its hard to make a comparison to just two engines, you have to talk about the vehicles they are installed in and when you do that, the amount of money they cost, the shape and weight of the vehicle they are in all come in to play when determining gas mileage. On its its own, the 3.0L Mitsu has nothing to be ashamed about when compared to the 3.6L Subaru when it comes to hp/liter.
Well that's why its hard to make a comparison to just two engines, you have to talk about the vehicles they are installed in and when you do that, the amount of money they cost, the shape and weight of the vehicle they are in all come in to play when determining gas mileage. On its its own, the 3.0L Mitsu has nothing to be ashamed about when compared to the 3.6L Subaru when it comes to hp/liter.
the outlander sport on paper is an awesome little crossover. the juke which is small as heck, with very polarizing looks has managed to steal all the thunder with its peppy turbo engine. where is the turbo outlander sport mitsu? THAT'S the crossover that gets people talking....
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i love the ones with the twin turbo's!
There is so much more I don't agree with in this thread than I do.
While I know going green is "politically correct", it's way to darn early for it to be seemless. I feel like it's 1970 all over again, and cars are about to be ruined. Electric motors and batteries are stupid-heavy, and they have poor range to top it off.
I think tightening CAFE standards will seriously hurt grassroots motorsports, and everyone who still wants to go fast will be campaigning old cars. My hope is that so many things go electric that we get a huge surplus of gasoline and prices will come way down for those of us Evo guys who refuse to embrace the new technology until it doesn't suck. Cause its gonna suck for a long time until they get these batteries more efficient and less bulky.
While I know going green is "politically correct", it's way to darn early for it to be seemless. I feel like it's 1970 all over again, and cars are about to be ruined. Electric motors and batteries are stupid-heavy, and they have poor range to top it off.
I think tightening CAFE standards will seriously hurt grassroots motorsports, and everyone who still wants to go fast will be campaigning old cars. My hope is that so many things go electric that we get a huge surplus of gasoline and prices will come way down for those of us Evo guys who refuse to embrace the new technology until it doesn't suck. Cause its gonna suck for a long time until they get these batteries more efficient and less bulky.
the hybrid is where the future will go anyway. The Porsche Citroen etc already racing they ideas around serious races. The Mitsubishi , if they want to stay in the future races , they need to come up with something. Personally i do not care how my car gets the power if its efficient . And some alternatives are waaaay more efficient then a gas internal combustion engine. Not to mention the weight if the gas , which is always changing in the race , both direction and weight
Both is very very bad .So im up and open for new power sources for my new car . As long as its stay nimble.
here is the GT3 hybrid for you guys , i just put it up on YouTube 2 minutes ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGoPOqfV8w
Mitsubishi 5 years ago put this out. Im sure they have something in the pocket for the EVo line if they keep it. Just think about it , no tranny no other things to drain the power from the wheels etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYqw...0AFBC08BDC0FF0
Rob
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mitsubishi sucks. it's about time they axe those useless pathetic cars. maybe now they'll build something worth owning other than the EVO. everything else they make sucks, and always has sucked. they should sneak over to the honda, nissan, toyota, or even hyundai plants and try to see how to make a good car.
