Don't forget the 3 gallons of water it takes to make a gallon of the stuff and all the oil-using and oil-burning equipment it takes to grow the crop and process it...

 

Seek is one thing. Use is another. This is not ready for primetime for a variety of reasons. It uses more resources to make, drives up the cost of milk and other foods, etc.

There is enough oil under Colorado, Wyoming and Utah to meet all the U.S. needs for 500 YEARS according to experts! The moratorium on building refineries kills us at the pump when there's any bump in supply and the moratorium on drilling keeps us dependent on others for oil. Oil seeps up from the floor of the Gulf of Mexico, for God's sake. But our loving, controlling government won't let us touch it. How's that for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

 

I know its a wonder fuel but I'm still not sold on runing E85 in my car.

I don't like dealing with starting issues and I don't like even the remote thought of cylinder bore wash. Then there's the lack of supply and the limited range on a tank of fuel.

I've been running a 50/50 mix of 110 leaded and 93 octane. To me its worth the additional $1/gal to run 103 octane around the clock. (93 oct = $3 gallon ///
110 oct = $5/gal /// Mixing one of each you get 2 gallons of 103 octane for $8 or $4/gal)

 

don't forget that corn isn't the only crop in the world and oil is hopefully not everyone's end all to electricity generation

 

according to experts that don't want you to stop using oil. according to other experts you're gonna mess up the earth if you keep using that oil without sequestering carbon and cleaning up other avenues of electricity generation.

not ready for primtime... when will it be if you keep ignoring it? how many lives is it gonna take before people wake up? how many billions of dollars in hurricane damages? how many billions in increased electricity usage during hot months? how much wasted water is it gonna take? i bet it takes until we're all dead, shriveled and wasting away in the desert sun.

there's SOOOO many ways to make electricity. solar photovoltaic is popping up all over the world and it's not even teh best source. every desert can have a solarthermal powerplant. there's fields of windmills in the oceans off how many countries?? wake up... look outside the box. stop taking the easy way out.

you need mere fractions of the earth's surface to power the electricity needs of the entire earth. we still have tons of real estate to exploit.

 

Lets not turn this into a "green discussion" thread.

 

You mention limited supply but run 110 octane. Must be nice to have 110 at the pumps everywhere you go.....

 

You forgot Nuclear Power. It's the only real alternative to coal right now.

 

I want to make my own e85 lol!

 

I see your point. Around here 110 is about as available as E85.

 

thats too obvious

 

I see you've drunk all the kool-aid. You're smarter than all this, I'd wager.

Don't sacrifice your present for myths about your future. I'm not talking about "electricity". I'm talking about the free flow of oil required for capitalism and, therefore, democracy to flow.

I won't sully this thread with anymore of this. Sorry.

 

The point trinydex was making is when talking about use of oil to produce E85 they are talking about energy equivalent. Oil is not required for capitalism, energy is.

 

some people can't see past what their political party feeds them

free flow of oil REQUIRED for capitalism? you're joking please.

capitalism is not REQUIRED for democracy. that's known as fascism... to intertwine ECONOMIC POLICY directly with POLITICAL POLICY

please DON'T sully this thread with anymore of THAT

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...56#post4769256 sully this thread which will be forgotten quickly.

 

I dont really give a darn I just like to be fast. If I cared I would be mountain biking to work.