First logging run
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First logging run
This was all done in 3rd gear, about 17psi because of the cold.
2076 +27.0 214 100 10 00 +16.1 10.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 212
2129 +27.0 262 100 10 00 +17.1 11.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 253
2156 +27.0 270 100 10 00 +15.1 11.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 273
2249 +27.0 272 100 10 00 +12.3 13.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 236
2308 +27.0 288 100 10 00 +12.3 16.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 388
2422 +27.0 314 100 10 00 +10.2 16.3 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 304
2469 +26.8 414 100 10 00 +7.5 17.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 496
2568 +26.8 334 100 10 00 +6.5 20.6 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 570
2647 +26.8 667 100 10 00 +4.5 23.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 452
2761 +26.8 759 100 10 00 +1.7 30.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 503
2876 +26.8 754 100 10 00 -1.7 36.2 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 631
2986 +27.0 691 100 10 00 -1.3 40.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 862
3115 +27.0 862 100 10 00 +2.7 41.2 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 606
3258 +27.0 917 100 20 00 +2.7 42.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 907
3380 +26.8 902 100 20 00 +4.0 42.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 805
3546 +26.8 880 100 20 00 +4.3 45.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 719
3667 +26.3 810 100 20 00 +4.3 49.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 840
3818 +26.3 776 100 20 00 +5.6 49.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1106
3977 +26.6 797 100 20 00 +5.7 54.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 994
4120 +26.6 883 100 30 00 +5.8 53.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 950
4295 +26.8 919 100 30 00 +6.9 56.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 925
4391 +26.8 860 100 30 00 +6.8 55.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 838
4522 +26.6 1165 100 40 00 +5.8 56.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1077
4668 +26.8 1201 100 40 00 +6.9 59.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1216
4852 +26.6 990 100 40 00 +7.1 66.6 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1256
4938 +26.8 1253 100 40 00 +8.1 66.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 998
5096 +27.0 1259 100 50 00 +8.2 70.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1179
5224 +26.8 1108 100 50 00 +8.3 71.3 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1275
5333 +27.0 1187 100 50 00 +6.1 74.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1165
5473 +26.8 1315 100 50 00 +7.3 77.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1231
5602 +27.0 1392 100 60 00 +8.3 78.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1322
5747 +26.8 1269 100 60 00 +9.2 78.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1440
5847 +26.8 1336 100 60 00 +10.1 81.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1262
5995 +26.8 1396 100 60 00 +11.3 85.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1420
6105 +26.6 1377 100 60 00 +11.4 85.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1385
I will be doing some AFR runs as soon as the tuner gets calibrated
2076 +27.0 214 100 10 00 +16.1 10.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 212
2129 +27.0 262 100 10 00 +17.1 11.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 253
2156 +27.0 270 100 10 00 +15.1 11.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 273
2249 +27.0 272 100 10 00 +12.3 13.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 236
2308 +27.0 288 100 10 00 +12.3 16.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 388
2422 +27.0 314 100 10 00 +10.2 16.3 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 304
2469 +26.8 414 100 10 00 +7.5 17.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 496
2568 +26.8 334 100 10 00 +6.5 20.6 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 570
2647 +26.8 667 100 10 00 +4.5 23.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 452
2761 +26.8 759 100 10 00 +1.7 30.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 503
2876 +26.8 754 100 10 00 -1.7 36.2 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 631
2986 +27.0 691 100 10 00 -1.3 40.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 862
3115 +27.0 862 100 10 00 +2.7 41.2 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 606
3258 +27.0 917 100 20 00 +2.7 42.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 907
3380 +26.8 902 100 20 00 +4.0 42.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 805
3546 +26.8 880 100 20 00 +4.3 45.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 719
3667 +26.3 810 100 20 00 +4.3 49.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 840
3818 +26.3 776 100 20 00 +5.6 49.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1106
3977 +26.6 797 100 20 00 +5.7 54.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 994
4120 +26.6 883 100 30 00 +5.8 53.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 950
4295 +26.8 919 100 30 00 +6.9 56.1 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 925
4391 +26.8 860 100 30 00 +6.8 55.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 838
4522 +26.6 1165 100 40 00 +5.8 56.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1077
4668 +26.8 1201 100 40 00 +6.9 59.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1216
4852 +26.6 990 100 40 00 +7.1 66.6 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1256
4938 +26.8 1253 100 40 00 +8.1 66.8 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 998
5096 +27.0 1259 100 50 00 +8.2 70.4 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1179
5224 +26.8 1108 100 50 00 +8.3 71.3 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1275
5333 +27.0 1187 100 50 00 +6.1 74.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1165
5473 +26.8 1315 100 50 00 +7.3 77.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1231
5602 +27.0 1392 100 60 00 +8.3 78.7 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1322
5747 +26.8 1269 100 60 00 +9.2 78.9 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1440
5847 +26.8 1336 100 60 00 +10.1 81.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1262
5995 +26.8 1396 100 60 00 +11.3 85.0 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1420
6105 +26.6 1377 100 60 00 +11.4 85.5 ECU. +0.0 ECU. 1385
I will be doing some AFR runs as soon as the tuner gets calibrated
Here's a little trick if you can calibrate the 02 while the car is moving. Go in 4th or some high gear and go up to some mid rpm and then let off the throttle until the ecu engages dfco. Then you can calibrate your 02 sensor while it's still in your bung.
I really don't think that there is a need to calibrate a brand new sensor. If it is showing around 14.7 at cruise it should be good. At least that is what I have been told by Al from Dynoflash. What Map was this run with? You should really run it up to 7K or higher for a log run.
This doesnt appear to be a map.. its all ECU passthrough or its a Map without any timing or boost control values..
In any case, if this is a passthrough, and your boost is manually set at 17psi, definitely has very conservative timing, and your never hitting any load site over 60.. Which is actually pretty normal considering your running 17psi of boost.. But your car probably feels pretty weak..
Anyone notice that at 2800-3000rpm the car seems to be around 1 degree AFTER TDC?? I've never seen that before on a WOT run...
What mods do you actually have on your car besides the UTEC.. I've never seen an airflow pattern like that before. Plus you have a weird intake airflow anomoly at 4852rpm kinda like your DV opened and recirculated just prior to that..
BTW you shouldn't have to worry about the calibration unless the sensor is old, or isn't reading 14.7 or so when cruising around in closed loop (at idle some cars read a little rich but should over around 14.7 most of the time)
YOu didn't make a full run to 7400rpm or so.. so its hard to tell what your high RPM looks like, but your correct in waiting until you get your wideband up and running..
In any case, if this is a passthrough, and your boost is manually set at 17psi, definitely has very conservative timing, and your never hitting any load site over 60.. Which is actually pretty normal considering your running 17psi of boost.. But your car probably feels pretty weak..
Anyone notice that at 2800-3000rpm the car seems to be around 1 degree AFTER TDC?? I've never seen that before on a WOT run...
What mods do you actually have on your car besides the UTEC.. I've never seen an airflow pattern like that before. Plus you have a weird intake airflow anomoly at 4852rpm kinda like your DV opened and recirculated just prior to that..
BTW you shouldn't have to worry about the calibration unless the sensor is old, or isn't reading 14.7 or so when cruising around in closed loop (at idle some cars read a little rich but should over around 14.7 most of the time)
YOu didn't make a full run to 7400rpm or so.. so its hard to tell what your high RPM looks like, but your correct in waiting until you get your wideband up and running..
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Well in the last thread you told me to make a few runs in the pass thru, so thats what I did. The only reason we didn't take it in the upper rpm band is that we kinda ran out of road, and we were coming up on the spot where I got my wing ticket. I finally got another laptop to use solely for the utec so I should be putting up more logs soon.
My mods consist of
264/272 cams
AEM intake
TB exhaust
pro-1 header
UR IC piping
My mods consist of
264/272 cams
AEM intake
TB exhaust
pro-1 header
UR IC piping
Ok... I talk to alot of people so I had a brainfart.. This is the first time I had seen the MAF results like that, likely due to the cams and lower boost.. Once you get your wideband setup, you'll be able to make a few more runs and we'll be able to suggest some settings..
Your mods are fairly similar to what many of us are running, so if the car feels good in stock mode (passthrough) you'll be pleasantly surprised with the gains once you start tuning.
Your mods are fairly similar to what many of us are running, so if the car feels good in stock mode (passthrough) you'll be pleasantly surprised with the gains once you start tuning.
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my latest. Just to compare....
Code:
Load Knock Mod Mod Mod WB
RPM MAP MAF TPS Site Count Ign#1 Inj#1 Ign Fuel Boost MAF AFR
psia Hz % deg duty deg % (OL) Hz
836 27.6 32 0 0 0 3.2 1.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 24 14.58
846 27.6 33 0 0 0 3.2 1.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 24 14.58
896 27.6 33 0 0 0 1.4 1.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 23 14.61
2666 27.4 110 14 0 0 35.4 5 ECU. 0 ECU. 82 15.08
2658 27.4 112 14 0 0 35.5 3.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 80 15.08
2673 27.4 436 20 0 0 36.5 64.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 288 15.18
2677 27.4 255 100 10 0 29.4 8.6 ECU. 0 ECU. 244 15.5
2775 27.4 371 100 10 0 28.3 10.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 235 15.72
2858 27.4 452 100 10 0 26.6 11.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 234 16.19
2957 27.4 488 100 10 0 26.7 13.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 363 16.36
3013 27.2 574 100 10 0 25.6 14.6 ECU. 0 ECU. 328 15.87
3112 27.2 529 100 10 0 23.5 14.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 449 15.31
3223 27.2 648 100 10 0 20.7 19 ECU. 0 ECU. 444 14.87
3353 27.2 784 100 10 0 18.6 23.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 547 14.58
3461 27.2 1043 100 10 0 16.6 26.4 ECU. 0 ECU. 777 14.3
3623 27.4 868 100 30 0 11.7 37.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 954 14.22
3813 27.4 1089 100 40 0 10.6 40.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 976 13.97
4001 27.4 1128 100 50 0 11.1 41.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 978 13.36
4224 27.4 1355 100 50 0 11.4 42.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 816 12.99
4368 27.4 1298 100 60 0 10.7 41.4 ECU. 0 ECU. 989 12.81
4547 27.2 1355 100 60 0 10.8 47 ECU. 0 ECU. 968 12.78
4755 27 1470 100 60 0 9.7 48.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 1008 12.78
4975 27 1344 100 60 0 10.3 50 ECU. 0 ECU. 1171 12.56
5104 27.2 1497 100 70 0 10.4 52.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1068 12.25
5307 27.2 1538 100 70 0 11.5 56.9 ECU. 0 ECU. 1071 12.09
5473 27.4 1592 100 80 0 11.4 54.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 1205 11.92
5602 27.4 1730 100 80 0 13 56.6 ECU. 0 ECU. 1182 11.73
5767 27.4 1587 100 80 0 14 57.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 1279 11.56
5931 27.4 1623 100 90 0 12 59.7 ECU. 0 ECU. 1311 11.45
6071 27.4 1754 100 90 0 13.6 62.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 1284 11.33
6218 27.4 1694 100 90 0 16.2 63.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 1284 11.23
6361 27.4 1712 100 100 0 17 63.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1320 11.14
6510 27.4 1779 100 100 0 18.3 66.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1388 11.14
6626 27.2 1818 100 100 0 18.8 61.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1373 11.11
6747 27.2 1785 100 100 0 21.3 70.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 1213 11.11
6887 27.2 1831 100 100 0 22.4 68.7 ECU. 0 ECU. 1447 11.11
7002 27.2 1811 100 100 0 23.5 69.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1338 11.05
7107 27.2 1694 100 100 0 23.5 70.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 1348 10.9
7215 27.2 1872 100 100 0 24 72.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 1436 10.59
7309 27.2 1851 100 100 0 24.1 74.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 1358 10.42
7423 27.2 1893 100 100 0 25 70.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 1404 10.43
7507 27.4 1824 100 100 0 25 72.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 1383 10.46
7610 27.4 1945 100 100 0 26.1 75.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 1329 10.52
7627 27.4 1818 100 100 0 22.3 71.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 1373 11.01
7440 27.4 504 1 0 0 32.6 13.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 123 13.39
6988 27.4 160 1 0 0 38.7 10.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 158 16.89
6485 27.4 221 0 0 0 38.5 5.8 ECU. 0 ECU. 119 15.12
5995 27.4 95 0 0 0 38.5 4.9 ECU. 0 ECU. 107 14.25
5630 27.4 77 1 0 0 28.4 9 ECU. 0 ECU. 48 13.95
Code:
3461 27.2 1043 100 10 0 16.6 26.4 ECU. 0 ECU. 777 14.3 3623 27.4 868 100 30 0 11.7 37.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 954 14.22 3813 27.4 1089 100 40 0 10.6 40.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 976 13.97 4001 27.4 1128 100 50 0 11.1 41.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 978 13.36 4224 27.4 1355 100 50 0 11.4 42.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 816 12.99
Its interesting to see how different these cars are..
my car ramps up so fast, i might have to start doing 4th gear pulls. I just hate going that fast on the streets. All that timing is on map 0 which ime assuming is the TXS background map. Or is it factory ECU??? I dont know, but I HIGHLY recommend HKS 272/272. I have no stalling issues and idle is only slightly choppy to where it sounds like an old lumpy big cam v-8, which i happen to like. DRYAD: lets see another one of yours with wideband... RRR
Yeah thats your Factory ECU doing that.. It blew me away, but likely because the MAF readings are so low (20% lower if you look at the modified MAF output)
I like the lope on the cams too, I haven't installed them in my car but I tuned two cars with 272's.. one had them straight up, the other had -4/-1 It was actually more difficult to get the staggered timing to run and idle right than the 0/0.. The staggered timing seemed to load up and swing wildly between rich and lean, more than my car with the blowthrough MAF did..
I like the lope on the cams too, I haven't installed them in my car but I tuned two cars with 272's.. one had them straight up, the other had -4/-1 It was actually more difficult to get the staggered timing to run and idle right than the 0/0.. The staggered timing seemed to load up and swing wildly between rich and lean, more than my car with the blowthrough MAF did..
Hey Jack, if i have my 780's scaled, by the way, 650cc was perfect to scale the 780's, Can i still run MAP-0?? or do i have to go to map 1 and stay there?? The documentation is way to LEAN!!!! Ray
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Code:
3461 27.2 1043 100 10 0 16.6 26.4 ECU. 0 ECU. 777 14.3 3623 27.4 868 100 30 0 11.7 37.2 ECU. 0 ECU. 954 14.22 3813 27.4 1089 100 40 0 10.6 40.5 ECU. 0 ECU. 976 13.97 4001 27.4 1128 100 50 0 11.1 41.1 ECU. 0 ECU. 978 13.36 4224 27.4 1355 100 50 0 11.4 42.3 ECU. 0 ECU. 816 12.99
Its interesting to see how different these cars are..
(just noticed how load maps change too quick - damn)
Originally Posted by rraulston
Hey Jack, if i have my 780's scaled, by the way, 650cc was perfect to scale the 780's, Can i still run MAP-0?? or do i have to go to map 1 and stay there?? The documentation is way to LEAN!!!! Ray
It looks as if the passthrough is actually scaling the MAF output.. But it definitely looks like your real lean until about 4500rpm anyway.. Your not getting any knock picked up by the UTEC, but I do see the ECU wanting to pull a little timing here and there..
I figured by seeing those numbers that you had scaling enabled..
What I found was interesting is how the MAF frequency jumps as much as 200hz and then drops, then jumps again.. Thats typically turbulence on my car, when my car feels like its stumbling (like a misfire) Thats the kind of anomoly I'd pick up, I don't get that any longer...
Anyway, the short answer is it seems like you can run Map0 if you had to.. perhaps set the scaling a little fatter if you want to do that so when boost ramps, it doesn't tip in quite as lean, but it seems like the ECU picks this up and adjusts for it after some time (It did on my car)
I don't see anything really wrong with whats going on, but since the MAF is scaled about 10-20% leaner than stock, but you have bigger injectors, your fueling is more or less fine (though a bit lean from 2000-3800rpm), but the stock ECU is thinking theres less load and running more timing..
I love seeing this data because some of it is similar to things I've seen before, and others are just unlike anything I've worked with before.
Last edited by MalibuJack; Jan 16, 2005 at 11:28 AM.