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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Suggestions about future mods, with tech question.

Hello,
I'm a new and proud owner of a 2006 EVO MR, it rocks! I have already installed a HKS SSQV BOV (Super Sequential Valve, Blow Off Valve) , and have a Injen Cold Air Intake in the mail. I also have installed a Viper Alarm System. My local shop was screwing around with the sensitivity of the alarm system and a few miles away from the shop my Service Engine Soon light comes on, I drive right back to the shop (Audio Express / El Paso, Texas) and they said they didn't know what to do, basically I'm stuck. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what whent wrong?
Well as for future mods, I getting rally-armor mud flaps, the Injen Cold Air Intake in the mail (as listed before), and a full LED/Neon Kit. I'm sure we all know that those things are purely cosmetic (well the intake and BOV helps, but not much) I'm looking for better performance, as I and one other guy (Late-Middle-Age doctor, ha ha ha) are the only owners of any year EVO MR, and amoung only 10 (or less) actual EVO owners (strange with a college, military base, and a population of over 400,000 people) in town as well. I want to set myself apart from others, as well as extend the ability of the car. My price range is limited for now, I am a soldier with a family, so basically my price range is around a thousand per upgrade, per every four months. Any suggestions to either my problem or upgrade solutions is very much appreciated.
-Christopher
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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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Go with a Warrtalon pkg. Best bang for the buck.

For the cel -replace the BOV/intake and see if it goes away, My guess is it will, but if no tthen take it to the dealer with the stock parts on.

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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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1) The worst possible mods you can do first are the HKS SSQV and Injen Intake. Congratulations on making the 2 most common mistakes and for spending $600-700 to take a step backwards in performance.

2) For only $1270 total, you could do my package and gain 60-70whp.

Please go back to the stock BOV. It is very good, and there is absolutely NO REASON to install that HKS SSQV. If you want to stand out, then don't waste a lot of money on ricer mods like most young enlisted military guys who don't know any better. Use your hard-earned money towards parts that actually make you faster without looking fast.
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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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IEXCELR8, I thankyou for your help. I guess I should've added some more info. The BOV was installed after my other shop was playing with the alarm system. It was only after the other shop was playing with my Viper Alarm that the SES light came on. I am a little concerned though, as to your suggestion about what to get for future mods, especially after reading Warrtalon's post, which I reply to after this one. I am hoping that this is not a partner-assisted shameless plug. I am curious though, as to wether you installed this same rig on your 03 EVO. If so, seriously, tell me what you thought about it. Thankyou again for your assistance, it is greatly appreciated.

Warrtalon, I understand your opinion as your own product. However, what exactly do you know about "young enlisted military guys,"? Also, my car, to my knowledge has no BOV at all. Not saying that it didn't exist, I just never heard it at all. I'm sure it has a wastegate, but prior to today's installation of the current HKS BOV, I never heard anything at all that sounded like my car was releasing any of the excess pressure, only the build-up during turbo spooling which ended once I came off the gas pedal (strangly enough I like to call the "Trigger" Mwa Ha Ha Ha). Although I will afford you the oppurtunity to school me (as I am a "young enlisted military guy," and hey, any/all advice or suggestions come greatly appreciated, seriously) about your product, as I am curious. Here is a list of questions about your product:
1: What exactly does "Choice muffler," mean? and who's Cat or Test Pipe am I getting? ("Buschur Racing Turboback Exhaust with your choice of Hi-Flow Cat or Test Pipe and choice muffler quite or loud")
2: What is a Forge UNOS MBC, and what does it do? (Be specific, but in lamen's terms)
3: The Buschar IX stage 1 flash, is it a chip? If so, do I have to keep it in or is it a one time use?
4: Going to the Mitsu website, it claims my car (06 EVO MR) has 289 HP. You claim your product adds 60-70 WHP gain. Can you aid me in doing the math difference between WHP and HP? I'm confused (honestly, not sarcastically) about how I get 60-70WHP gain starting from 289HP and end up with 330WHP after installation of your rig. What is the stock WHP of my car (no mods)? Now, I understand that Dyno's are highy controlled environments, and I live almost a mile above sea-level (El Paso, ain't it grand? BLAH!) so I may not get such a great turn-out, but that isn't your fault.

I whole-heartedly appreciate the help, and thank you both. The military slander I could do without, but that's a whole different story, which I'm not in the mind-set to even partake in right now. But all in all, I await your responses, and hope others can lend me their advice as well.
-Christopher
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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 11:09 PM
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Let me get this straight:

1) You bought a $35k car, then spent about $700 on useless mods and you don't even know that your $35k car already came with a BOV in stock form like all other Evos and all DSMs _ever_ made?

2) You paid for a BOV that is NOT supposed to be used with the Evo, then paid some shop to install it, which resulted in you not even seeing the part that it replaced? To this day, you still have not seen your stock BOV, which is far better than the one you bought and are now using?

3) You don't know what a flash is? Seriously?

4) Choice of muffler and choice of HFC vs test pipe means...you get to choose one of the Buschur-offered mufflers or one of the Buschur-offered cat replacements. They are all Buschur exhaust products, though one muffler is actually made by Magnaflow.

5) You don't know how powerful the IXs really are or that what Mitsu puts in a magazine is nowhere near reality or that published power figures are always showing crank HP? Interesting. There is no direct correlation between crank HP and wheel HP. The only thing we know for sure is wheel HP based off dynos.

6) You don't know what an MBC is? My mouth is agape.

I'm not a vendor, and I'm not in business. I am just a guy who owns an Evo and who went fast by spending very little money with very few parts. Due to my success, a package was created that is now sold by one of the leading DSM/Evo experts in the country. The package is simple, it works, and is inexpensive. What confuses me is how you know absolutely nothing about the Evo you bought, yet you managed to so quickly spend so much money on mods that not only don't help but that are HARMFUL to your Evo. Where did you even find those mods and who told you to use them?

In conclusion, what I know about "young enlisted military guys" is that I was one. I'm a former Marine Sergeant, and I've been there and done "that." Fortunately, I took the route of making my car (1G DSM) fast instead of making it SOUND fast.

I implore you to go and search for every question you asked me, because they are basic to the point of being painful to read.
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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Let me get this straight:

1) You bought a $35k car, then spent about $700 on useless mods and you don't even know that your $35k car already came with a BOV in stock form like all other Evos and all DSMs _ever_ made?

2) You paid for a BOV that is NOT supposed to be used with the Evo, then paid some shop to install it, which resulted in you not even seeing the part that it replaced? To this day, you still have not seen your stock BOV, which is far better than the one you bought and are now using?

3) You don't know what a flash is? Seriously?

4) Choice of muffler and choice of HFC vs test pipe means...you get to choose one of the Buschur-offered mufflers or one of the Buschur-offered cat replacements. They are all Buschur exhaust products, though one muffler is actually made by Magnaflow.

5) You don't know how powerful the IXs really are or that what Mitsu puts in a magazine is nowhere near reality or that published power figures are always showing crank HP? Interesting. There is no direct correlation between crank HP and wheel HP. The only thing we know for sure is wheel HP based off dynos.

6) You don't know what an MBC is? My mouth is agape.

I'm not a vendor, and I'm not in business. I am just a guy who owns an Evo and who went fast by spending very little money with very few parts. Due to my success, a package was created that is now sold by one of the leading DSM/Evo experts in the country. The package is simple, it works, and is inexpensive. What confuses me is how you know absolutely nothing about the Evo you bought, yet you managed to so quickly spend so much money on mods that not only don't help but that are HARMFUL to your Evo. Where did you even find those mods and who told you to use them?

In conclusion, what I know about "young enlisted military guys" is that I was one. I'm a former Marine Sergeant, and I've been there and done "that." Fortunately, I took the route of making my car (1G DSM) fast instead of making it SOUND fast.

I implore you to go and search for every question you asked me, because they are basic to the point of being painful to read.
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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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The point is not to "own." The point is to educate, and I don't just mean educate about the specifics of the Evo, but hopefully to educate people into not making stupid purchases without doing a little homework first and maybe, just MAYBE having a clue what they're buying when they spend $35k.

A businessman would have just answered his questions and tried to make a sale. For all I know, my answers will turn him away, but maybe something I said will eventually sink in and save him from future fiascos such as the HKS SSQV.
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Old Jun 3, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 05:55 AM
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wow.. just wow....
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 06:10 AM
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Hello again,
Well I took all of the advice I digested, and decided to actually call HKS and get the answer straight from them. Yes, my car did come with a Divertor Valve, it will handle a pretty good amount of boost, the HKS BOV will handle around 26-29 PSI. (Me asking HKS) Did I honestly need to change it out at this point in time? (HKS Answering) No you didn't but it won't hurt your car in any way shape or form either. And as Warrtalon would put it "$700 on useless mods," it's my money chief and to spend with as I wish, I don't your snobbish attitude looking down on me for purchasing items on my car that I want. If I asked you a question, it was out of sincere questioning. If I don't know, I'll ask, so keep your comments to yourself or answer the questions without the 6-year old brat attitude as yo uhave so far. This isn't a playground, and we're a little older than actually caring who gots the better "Yo Mama," jokes. But if you want, I can always go find some fat kid to start screaming "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!," if you want to re-live those days you cannot seem to live without. Also, after talking with HKS even further, the BOV I have installed can be used with the EVO, this goes back to the errant thinking that any part not installed at the Mitsu factory dealership isn't designed to be added. And finally, you claim you're not a business, however on your signature you make it seem awfully like you are, here...let me show you what I see from a view other than yours:

Warrtalon/Buschur Packages:
IX - $1270 = 330whp
VIII - $1575 = 300whp
12.26 @110.0 - 93oct WT/BR

It sure sounds to me like you're getting something out of it, but then again I could be mistaken, it's my interpretation. I'm hoping you'll take a chill before you post again on this thread, and seriously sit down and if nothing else (I don't care at this point) just take pity on a guy who entered into a great car with large hopes, but not a lot of prior research but is trying to make the most of it and just CHILL OUT and actually act like a adult and maybe direct me towards where I should be looking instead of looking down at me. Help me out, maybe with more research on my end, I may end up buying your

Warrtalon/Buschur Packages:
IX - $1270 = 330whp
VIII - $1575 = 300whp
12.26 @110.0 - 93oct WT/BR

you know? Hit me back,
-christopher
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 06:19 AM
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Yes the HKS bov can be used on the evo, but more than likely you bought and installed the VTA version. This causes your car to run even more rich than it does from the factory. The MAF senses the air coming in, the computer adds the required amount of fuel, and then you dump the majority of the air just takin in---out through the BOV, resulting in a rich mixture of air/fuel. Warr may come off as an ***, but what he says is true. It's really not good to start modding 35K car if you don't know anything about it. The fact that you didn't know it came with a stock BOV blew my mind.
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 06:27 AM
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Not to get involved in this argument, since I have no intention of offending anyone..

The HKS Kit that recirculates is fine, the one that does not (vents to the atmosphere) will degrade the performance of a MAF equipped car such as the Evo.. This is a known fact and you can search on that.

Not everyone is a big fan of Warrtalon, but his package is not something he makes anything on, its just a group of basic mods that all of us have done from the beginning that make the best gains for the least money.. And that is basically what you asked for advice..

Although I have run an HKS SSQV on my car, I took it off because of the sound, Even recirculated its pretty loud, and can have detrimental effects on performance if you have a stock MAF.. And before anyone jumps on me for using a VTA BOV, I don't have a stock MAF, and I did buy into the positive seal hype the HKS supposedly offered in order to hold the levels of boost I was running.. Well, It held the boost, but caused other drivability quirks. (RPM Rise between shifts, flutter and compressor surge, etc..)

The best bang for the buck mods you can do on this car..

1) Better air filter for the STOCK airbox (no aftermarket intakes or airbox replacements!)
2) a Manual Boost controller, or Electronic Boost controller to raise your boost and make it more stable
3) A turbo back exhaust system, Keep in mind replacing your catalytic converter or removing it are Illegal and may likely cause your car to fail a visual inspection, a CAT back (retain the stock Cat) and downpipe upgrade will be almost as good.
4) ENGINE MANAGEMENT.. All these bolt-on mods can be relatively useless unless your car is tuned for them. What you choose really depends on what research you do, and how comfortable you are.. Get a reflash, its the easiest way to do it.
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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Wartalon, man, you need to go a different route when talking to people. haha, your advice is great, at the same time, i do believe that everyone takes you in the wrong tone!

by the way, i went with the exedy stage 2 like you said, i'll let you know how i make out with it! lol
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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If you don't believe me or like what I have to say, then please listen to MalibuJack.

Olsookie, did you buy it from Total D? Let me know how you like it after it's installed.
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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I'm not sure where my buddy got it from. I have a friend opening his own buisness and i gave him a list of parts to order so he could get his buyin's. I believe the only parts that he might have or be ordering from Total D are my cams. I will definitely let you know!
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