Guys,

I have all the basic bolt-ons, HKS cams at 0/0, walbro, full exhaust and dp, boost at 18psi, lower ICP upgrade, blitz bov.

The car is not tuned at all. The settings are then factory right? If I install an SAFC, would I feel any difference? reflashes are out of the question, I live in the Philippines. I mean, would the SAFC give substantial gains in terms of maximizing (or tuning) for the A/F, the walbro and the cams?

 

You will see an increase in HP. The best way to extract more HP is to use larger injectors ie 660's or 680's. If you go with the larger injectors you will have to pull more fuel out and it will advance more timing. Some people have seen about 325whp with this setup.

 

I say get a mail in flash. I see no reason why you will need injectors for just a cammed evo. That just sounds rediculous to me. My car is cammed and on 22 psi and I didn't even come close to maxing out my injectors.

 

isnt 19 stock boost? if yeah why you go down a psi, jw.

 

If you cannot do that than get a zeitronix wideband and have TTP remote flash it for you. A little more money that way but I will vouch for his flash.

 

I just have to say that the safc2 indeed works and is well worth it for its price. Here's my experience:

Went to the track a few weeks ago with an SAFC2, fuel pump, turboback, mbc 22si, intake filter, 10.5, LICP and an MR DV (All basic bolt ons). First run with with the hi-throttle set to -1% fuel from 4000+, I ran a 13.8. Second run with -2% from 4000+, I ran a 13.6. Third run with -3% from 5k+, I ran a 13.4!!! (all were 1.8ish 60 foots) So with no real tuning and minor (safe) adjustments I gain .4seconds in a quarter mile. That's pretty impressive with only about 2% taken out, imagine if it was fully tuned.... Well all I have to say is, the SAFC2 is worth is for beginner/self tuners. Im looking for an LM-1 by the way to safely tune my car, so please dont talk about risks...

 

Dont use a SAFC on a EVO. It a terrible idea for tuning a EVO.

 

No offense but you should atleast run that on a stock evo. The money and time you spent on a SAFC is more than a mail in flash and less performance. Yes it is nice for a beginner that wants to mess with there car.

 

SAFC without at wideband is a ridiculous recommendation.

SAFC with racefuel will work. Other wise upgrading injectors $400 is also a ridiculous way to raise ignition timing.

You need a mail in flash for $199 from us. You would pay twice that in just injectors WITHOUT the cost of the SAFC.

 

Using an AFC and injectors is no more rediculous or terrible than believing some over the counter tune is going to be right for your car, your octane, and your boost level.
It works, it's user friendly, and you'll never depend on anyone who has something to sell you.
$400??? sure...
http://www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/cart/mitsubishi.htm
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Injectors $269+shipping.

SAFC II - $280 + shipping

Wideband AFR meter $274 + laptop.

= Ability to tune AFR ONLY= $823
This is assuming you know how to tune...

Adjusting your ignition timing with purpose, customizing each load cell for your specific modifications and boost level. Boost control. Idle fixes and adjustments. Rev limits. Stutterbox launch limiter. AFR tuning.

Still $199 and done by a professional tuner with 176 positive feedback = priceless.

What is your car running again Larry?

 

Damn, people just dont get it. SAFC CAN NOT control timing. The way of advanceing timing with injectors is ghetto as hell and I wouldn't let that fly on my car.

This is NOT a DSM, people need to give up that damn SAFC.

 

1. Everyone knows that an AFC doesn't control timing that's not the argumnet. Is it crude, ghetto, and all that? Yes. Does it work and make power? Yes. If that's not your choice of fuel control fine, but look at the orignal post; "reflashes are out of the question."

2. To TTP Engineering;
I'm sure your a very competent tuner and let's say hypathetically I wanted to run your $199 tune; What's the peak timing I'm going to get from that $199 special at 21psi on 91 Cali octane?
What exactly can I control with that $199?
Was that 11.2 done on a mail in flash?

3. We'll find out what my car runs on Oct 28th.

 

1. His assumption was that reflashes were not an option because he is in the Phillipines. I have been speaking with him for some time now about our remote, custom tuning option that would cost less than SAFC+injectors+wideband. This is his best option.

2. For $199, you would find out now wouldn't you. I think there are plenty of threads this week in the forums about my tuning abilities. Yes, my 11.2 and 11.5@128mph lifting twice was on a mail in flash. I went out to the mailbox with a self addressed stamped envelope and mailed myself a killer tune.

3. When you run 11.2 on your SAFC on stock turbo and stock injectors with 540whp, please come back here and share your expert opinion with timeslips to back up your qualifications. Better yet, I'll let you use a GT35R even.

 

Way to make a sale. You really should do that for everyone outside of central Florida because that is what's better for the car. Something over the counter like leaning out the high map a little and topping out the timing to 18* isn't going to be as good as something custom. Of course I'm sure you do much more, look at the possabilities from flashing;
http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
Both you and I know there are limitations from an AFC, just like there's limitations on $199.00 three time zones away.
Any of those threads from CA and on 91 octane?