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Old Aug 29, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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yeah, it takes time, thats why I don't understand the 1 hour dyno tunes..
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Old Aug 30, 2004 | 04:45 AM
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yeah for real.

thanks again for all your help

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Old Aug 30, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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Also what does LCM in the boost mean. The utec is not controlling my boost so it doesn't affect anything. But it is bugging me.

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It may be related to Launch Control. Do you have that enabled? I experimented with flat-foot shifting for a while, and saw that in the logs. I also had some jerkeyness during non-flatfoot shifts, seems this feature doesn't work too well all the time.

Sure would be nice if TXS would document all this stuff...
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Old Aug 30, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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I thought it was for the launch control too, but I see it without launch control enabled.. the jerkyness from the flat shifting enabled has to do with the RPM you have it set for.. I got it too until I set it for 6200rpm, but I'd never launch at that RPM, they need a two-stage setup that has a different launch RPM and shift RPM (it can easily be determined by looking at the car's speed, if its over a certain rpm, use the flat shift RPM)

Anyway, my "Best" guess at LCM is Low Compression Mode, only because it happens under deceleration until the MAF level drops to a low enough load site that no longer wants to control the boost solenoid.. And thats speculation, I have no idea what It actually means..
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Old Aug 30, 2004 | 11:12 PM
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Just thought I'd let everyone know that you can download a 30 day trial of DataLogLab (so MJ doesn't have to run your logs for you), plus it's fun to play with and worth the $ to purchase.
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Old Aug 31, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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yeah I posted the link earlier, I didn't specifically point out that its a 30 day eval too..

It'll take you a bit of time to get comfortable with the interface, but its well worth the time to download it, and definitely worth the few dollars to buy it.
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Old Aug 31, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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Yeah I do have lanch control enabled . I noticed the jerkyness between shifting to. I think this also could be the cause of my stumble. But I have seen it without lanch control. I think I will wait for turboXS to tell us what it means. If they don't know then that is scary

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Old Sep 4, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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Could you guys take a look at my log too? Pointers/suggestions are greatly appreciated!

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Intake, TXS Stg 2 w/stock cat

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  914 +25.9   30   0  00    00    +7.4    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     30
  921 +25.9   30   0  00    00    +7.4    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     30
  890 +25.9   31   0  00    00    +5.3    0.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     30
  757 +25.9   81  11  00    00    +4.3    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     84
  628 +25.9   68  11  00    00    +9.3    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     73
  607 +25.9   59  13  00    00    +1.8    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     76
  781 +25.9   71  15  00    00    -4.9    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     83
  947 +25.9   90  15  00    00    +4.5    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     90
 1170 +25.9  116  20  00    00   +10.0    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    114
 1315 +25.9  130  21  00    00   +14.2    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    142
 1513 +25.9  163  23  00    00   +15.9    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    152
 1707 +25.9  157  20  00    00   +16.1    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    142
 1871 +25.9  159  17  00    00   +25.3    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    152
 2028 +25.7  153  17  00    00   +29.3    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    162
 2153 +25.7  163  17  00    00   +29.3    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    170
 2235 +25.5  171  17  00    00   +30.4    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    161
 2344 +25.5  170  17  00    00   +30.5    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    168
 2445 +25.7  173  17  00    00   +30.4    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    170
 2525 +25.7  171  17  00    00   +32.6    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    177
 2626 +25.7  167  17  00    00   +32.7    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    181
 2718 +25.7  165  17  00    00   +34.5    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    167
 2868 +25.5  184  17  00    00   +35.5    7.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    170
 2973 +25.7  201  18  00    00   +37.7    7.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    222
 3211 +25.7  457  34  00    00   +24.6   26.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    493
 3353 +25.7  561  56  10    00   +14.9   19.0  +7.0  +0.0  76.00  692
 3720 +25.9  838  94  10    00    +8.6   28.0  +7.0  +0.0 100.00  634
 4016 +25.7  917  95  10    00    +8.0   41.0  +7.0  +0.0 100.00  919
 4510 +25.9 1392  99  10    00    +5.8   58.0  +8.0  +0.0 100.00 1388
 5027 +25.7 1272  99  30    00    +7.3   68.0  +9.0  -1.9 100.00 1497
 5574 +25.7 1420  99  50    00    +8.4   65.0  +9.5  -7.9 100.00 1358
 6207 +25.7 1607 100  70    00   +12.4   66.0 +11.0 -11.7 100.00 1470
 6613 +25.7 1748 100  80    00   +12.7   66.0 +13.7 -13.2 100.00 1461
 7047 +26.1 1694  99  90    00   +19.0   69.0 +16.2 -13.3 100.00 1436
 6915 +26.1  111  12  00    00   +38.7    9.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    109
 6497 +25.9   87   7  00    00   +38.6    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    119
 5464 +25.9  934  75  10    00   +23.5   30.0  +9.0  +0.0  95.00  905
 5473 +25.7 1302 100  10    00   +11.2   59.0 +10.2  +0.0 100.00 1344
 5411 +25.7 1612 100  10    00    +7.4   82.0 +10.1  +0.0 100.00 1562
 5583 +25.7 1474 100  40    00    +8.4   76.0  +9.5  -5.5 100.00 1461
 5889 +25.7 1524 100  70    00   +11.3   70.0 +10.4 -11.0 100.00 1329
 6161 +25.7 1572 100  80    00   +12.4   71.0 +10.6 -12.0 100.00 1533
 6422 +25.7 1655 100  90    00   +13.5   72.0 +11.8 -12.2 100.00 1396
 6640 +25.5 1612 100  90    00   +14.5   70.0 +12.6 -12.9 100.00 1412
 6844 +25.5 1644 100  90    00   +17.6   70.0 +13.8 -13.3 100.00 1470
 6958 +25.5  387  49  00    00   +23.7   21.0 ECU.   +0.0  69.00  242
 6497 +25.5  127  10  00    00   +38.5    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    201
 5952 +25.5  974  95  30    00   +24.4   33.0 +11.2  -1.5 100.00 1196
 5437 +25.5 1470 100  20    00   +10.1   68.0  +9.8  -0.8 100.00 1543
 5482 +25.7 1479 100  20    00    +7.5   82.0  +9.7  -0.8 100.00 1533
 5518 +25.7 1355 100  50    00    +9.1   70.0  +8.9  -8.2 100.00 1295
 5621 +25.7 1474 100  70    00   +10.3   67.0  +8.4  -9.7 100.00 1373
 5737 +25.9 1436 100  80    00    +9.3   69.0  +9.1 -10.8 100.00 1428
 5910 +25.7 1412 100  70    00   +11.3   70.0 +10.2 -10.9 100.00 1295
 6049 +25.9 1597 100  80    00   +11.4   70.0 +10.2 -11.8 100.00 1336
 6161 +25.9 1567 100  80    00   +12.5   71.0 +10.6 -12.0 100.00 1412
 6265 +25.7 1479 100  80    00   +10.2   70.0 +11.2 -12.2 100.00 1445
 6385 +25.7 1650 100  90    00    +7.2   72.0 +11.6 -12.2 100.00 1358
 6510 +25.7 1612 100  90    00    +8.1   72.0 +12.0 -12.3 100.00 1396
 6600 +25.7 1587 100  90    00    +8.6   72.0 +12.4 -12.7 100.00 1420
 6693 +25.7 1730 100  90    00   +11.0   72.0 +12.7 -13.0 100.00 1428
 6775 +25.7 1582 100  90    00   +11.6   72.0 +13.4 -13.3 100.00 1445
 6887 +25.7 1466 100  90    00   +12.4   71.0 +14.0 -13.3 100.00 1412
 6830 +25.7  113  14  00    00   +26.6    7.0 ECU.   +0.0 100.00  282
 6510 +25.9   87   9  00    00   +38.6    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    118
 5952 +25.7 1213 100  30    00   +17.3   48.0 +10.9  -2.6 ECU.   1152
 5257 +25.7 1408 100  20    00   +10.0   70.0  +9.0  -1.1 100.00 1396
 5104 +25.7 1404 100  20    00    +5.3   77.0  +9.0  -1.0 100.00 1543
 5257 +25.7 1193 100  50    00    +7.7   68.0  +8.0  -5.6 100.00 1173
 5282 +25.9 1322 100  70    00    +6.5   67.0  +7.1  -7.7 100.00 1207
 5341 +26.1 1479 100  70    00    +7.0   67.0  +7.4  -8.1 100.00 1358
 5411 +25.9 1474 100  70    00    +7.4   67.0  +7.6  -8.6 100.00 1269
 5446 +25.9 1436 100  70    01    +7.6   67.0  +7.7  -8.7 100.00 1388
 5500 +25.7 1366 100  70    01    +6.7   67.0  +8.0  -9.3 100.00 1322
 5537 +25.7 1538 100  70    00    +6.6   68.0  +8.2  -9.5 100.00 1396
 5621 +25.7 1567 100  70    00    +6.8   69.0  +8.3  -9.6 100.00 1315
 5659 +25.9 1457 100  70    00    +6.8   70.0  +8.6  -9.9 100.00 1329
 5707 +25.9 1396 100  70    00    +7.2   70.0  +8.8 -10.2 100.00 1308
 5767 +25.9 1515 100  70    00    +7.1   71.0  +9.2 -10.4 100.00 1315
 5827 +25.9 1587 100  80    00    +8.1   70.0  +9.2 -10.9 100.00 1308
 5858 +25.9 1562 100  80    00    +8.1   71.0  +9.4 -11.1 100.00 1358
 5910 +25.7 1602 100  80    00    +7.4   72.0  +9.6 -11.2 100.00 1269
 5984 +25.7 1529 100  80    00    +7.5   72.0  +9.9 -11.6 100.00 1388
 6016 +25.7 1567 100  80    00    +7.2   73.0 +10.1 -11.7 100.00 1412
 6082 +25.7 1510 100  80    00    +7.1   73.0 +10.4 -11.9 100.00 1470
 6116 +25.7 1572  92  80    00    +8.5   71.0 +10.4 -11.8 100.00  499
 5737 +25.7  220   8  00    00   +37.3    9.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    118
 5324 +25.7   98   5  00    00   +38.2    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     46
 4916 +25.7  109   0  00    00   +38.2    5.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    127
 4535 +25.9   32   0  00    00   +33.2    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     31
 4166 +25.9   29   0  00    00   +29.9    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     31
 3805 +25.9   35   0  00    00   +28.1    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     30
 3479 +25.9   31   0  00    00   +28.0    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 3165 +25.9   34   0  00    00   +31.8    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.    288
 2863 +25.9   35   0  00    00   +27.9    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     34
 2604 +25.9   34   0  00    00   +24.6    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 2360 +25.9   33   0  00    00   +24.5    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     31
 2164 +25.9   33   0  00    00   +24.5    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 1982 +25.9   32   0  00    00   +25.6    2.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     34
 1830 +25.9   31   0  00    00   +30.4    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 1717 +25.9   32   0  00    00   +27.6    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     30
 1614 +25.9   31   0  00    00   +25.4    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 1458 +25.9   32   0  00    00    +7.6    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     32
 1209 +25.9   29   0  00    00    +7.9    1.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.     31
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 12:19 AM
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I'll have to look at it closer tomorrow.. But I can tell you have an aftermarket intake because of the MAF readings are low..

I can't quite tell if your getting full runs or what.. But I need to know what gear this was done in and what the weather was like.. Your factory timing at some point wants to run more timing than your timing map is using..

Aftermarket intakes definitely have the biggest impact on low RPM fuel demand and overall MAF readings which can affect the tune..
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 08:24 AM
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Man, is it weird not having AFR and Map logged into the log

I am curious of what is causing those 1 counts? Although a 1 count is really nothing terrable they can certainly be tuned out.. I am leaning towards then being caused by too drastic change in afr, since timing looks to be stable there.. Those RPM's are very sensative to big jumps in timing and AFR..

Jack, What is common Maf readings of a car with basic boltons without intake and one with intake? I am used to reading maf in V's so it is bugging me out not to be able to have a grasp of what kind of air the car is pulling..
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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Without the intake, you can see 1700hz and a fairly smooth frequency ramp.. with an aftermarket MAF pipe and filter, you'll typically see readings top at 1500hz or so, in addition the frequency ramp doesn't seem to be as smooth, and the readings can be a little erratic (jump around a bit by a large enough number to want to toggle between load sites)

I never even looked at a Subaru's MAF reading in Volts, but a MAF sensor that uses volts is a nice analog signal and less of an issue than the PWM frequency of the Karmann Vortex MAF..

Any sort of sudden timing change, or load change, or even environmental things can trigger minor knock activity.. you have to really listen to it with an audible det can setup (like on the TXS Tuner) to be able to tell if its a clank from the valvetrain or drivetrain, or if its a ping from detonation..
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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I wasn't sure what to log, so I logged a full 1st thru the top of 3rd gear run. Weather was probably 60 degrees or so.

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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 07:10 AM
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Okie.. the data makes more sense now.. The one thing I see is that you can gain quite a bit by altering the timing a bit.. at this moment your UTEC timing looks good on some portions, and a bit conservative (more conservative than stock) on others.

In order to make a power graph and see anything useful, I'd need a third gear run, from 2000 or so RPM through redline.. you should note If you have non-stock wheels and tires and the weather conditions too.. Or you can download data log lab and do it yourself.

Anyway, this is one of my tuning techniques, I start with a few third gear pulls, the reason I do this is because the gearing is high enough to load the engine but not too high to lose useful MAF readings. Additionally I can gather about twice as many samples as first gear.

This will give me my "Base timing" information where I build my maps. this is how you get your "Dyno Numbers" Once I get a good map for this gear, I do the same thing for second and fourth.. since second will give you more airflow, and fourth will give you more engine load.. Usually you can isolate knock doing that.. Finally I do a complete run through the gears and look for knock and then adjust for that..

Timing usually the map I do last. I usually start by doing the same thing for fuel first.. since you want to make sure your target AFR is in your zone, you can then return later and adjust this to compensate for differences in boost, or adding a bit of safety margin in areas where you have aggressive timing. (Remember, detonation due to aggressive timing may not be able to be quenched by using a rich fuel mixture, so its a combination of adjusting both)

Obviously none of this info is ultimately very useful without knowing the AFR the car is running.. but by the fuel compensation curve your using, it appears to be the UTEC map that came with the UTEC, If thats the case it runs a little lean under your torque peak (4000-5500rpm) due to an aftermarket intake.. and may need a bit more fuel at upper RPM's..

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First Knock think I fixed it though

I think the timing jumped a little to much at the point of the knock. I have a question. In the mod Ign why does it says ECU. The map I have it set to doesn't have ECU in any of the load sites. Thanks for your help Jack in advance

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    ,     ,     ,   ,Load,Knock,      ,      , Mod,  Mod,      ,  Mod
 RPM,  MAP,  MAF,TPS,Site,Count, Ign#1, Inj#1, Ign,  Fuel,Boost,  MAF
    ,  psia,  Hz, % ,    ,     ,  deg , duty , deg,   %  ,(OL) ,   Hz
 3584,+27.0, 166, 18, 00,   00,  +43.8,   6.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 200
 3557,+27.0, 168, 18, 00,   00,  +43.8,   6.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 163
 3565,+27.0, 164, 18, 00,   00,  +43.8,   6.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 172
 3584,+26.6, 169, 18, 00,   00,  +43.8,   6.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 159
 4230,+27.2, 909,100, 10,   00,  +15.6,  36.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1016
 4391,+27.2,1173,100, 10,   00,  +12.9,  43.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1196
 4578,+27.0,1466,100, 20,   00,   +8.5,  57.0,ECU. , -1.5,ECU.  ,1479
 4775,+27.0,1538,100, 40,   00,   +8.7,  59.0,ECU. , -4.4,ECU.  ,1322
 5020,+26.8,1533,100, 50,   00,   +9.8,  57.0,ECU. , -6.3,ECU.  ,1288
 5299,+26.8,1445,100, 60,   00,  +12.0,  57.0,ECU. , -8.7,ECU.  ,1436
 5509,+27.0,1428,100, 70,   00,  +13.2,  58.0,ECU. ,-10.5,ECU.  ,1315
 5777,+26.8,1623,100, 70,   00,  +15.6,  61.0,ECU. ,-11.5,ECU.  ,1322
 6027,+27.0,1748,100, 80,   00,  +17.1,  62.0,ECU. ,-12.7,ECU.  ,1344
 6218,+27.0,1515,100, 80,   00,  +18.3,  63.0,ECU. ,-13.2,ECU.  ,1322
 6410,+26.8,1650,100, 90,   00,  +17.7,  65.0,ECU. ,-13.2,ECU.  ,1453
 6640,+27.0,1639,100, 90,   00,  +18.8,  66.0,ECU. ,-13.3,ECU.  ,1562
 6830,+27.0,1712,100, 90,   00,  +20.7,  67.0,ECU. ,-13.3,ECU.  ,1412
 7002,+27.0,1700, 79, 90,   00,  +22.9,  69.0,ECU. ,-13.3,ECU.  ,1533
 7215,+27.2,1182, 22, 00,   00,  +31.3,  47.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 984
 6613,+26.8, 554, 10, 00,   00,  +32.3,  26.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  , 535
 5952,+26.8, 950, 49, 00,   00,  +27.6,  37.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1091
 5630,+26.8,1420, 58, 30,   00,  +14.4,  60.0,ECU. , -3.5,ECU.  ,1336
 5359,+26.8,1683, 47, 00,   00,   +8.9,  75.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1644
 5341,+27.0,1519, 40, 00,   00,   +9.2,  73.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1412
 5428,+27.2,1388, 39, 00,   00,  +12.3,  67.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1381
 5564,+27.0,1340, 36, 00,   00,  +13.3,  62.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1322
 5649,+27.0,1326, 35, 00,   00,  +15.4,  62.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1358
 5698,+27.0,1377, 35, 00,   00,  +15.4,  63.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1358
 5797,+26.8,1736, 54, 00,   00,  +13.3,  79.0,ECU. , +0.0,ECU.  ,1798
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 12:52 PM
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Thats odd, It shouldn't.. It should be reporting mod timing in the map # your switch is on..

Verify your switch position.. make sure your UTEC isn't in program mode (Not sure if this would make a difference but there was a member who had a problem that no matter what he changed, it didn't "Stick" or affect anything)

If you have a remote switch, make sure the UTEC is on 0.. otherwise I have no clue what it will think its on if you have both set (other than not work right)

Doublecheck everything and do another run.. I've never seen that before, unless your map isn't in the slot you expect..
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