i herd that it would be cheaper to supercharge a lancer where can i get a kit or how can i pice one
also im so mad at my lancer i hate how it coast like 1800 for a turbo kit for a honda and there is more and better parts then what u get with a lancer turbo + a lancer turbo is more than twice as much as a honda turbo kit

 

Failing to see how it'd be cheaper seeing as short of getting it from RPW, you'd have to manfacture your own setup. As for this whole "Civics have cheaper parts" dilemma, what did you expect? There's a whole hell of a lot more of them out there. Supply and demand here. Supers are nice for their linear powerband, but fail at delivering peak power since they're generally slightly more inefficient on 4 bangers than turbos. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&threadid=4903 Should probably pay a bit more attention to this thread, which you've also managed to chime into.

 

superchargers generally work better on bigger engines, i heard some people have actually lost power with a sc cause they put too big of one on a small engine and it took more power to turn it than it produced, but since they take power from the flywheel they have to be tuned much better than turbos to be effective, but the lancer engine is pretty torqey for a 4 so it might be a good engine to supercharge, never seen anybody do that yet, you might wanna talk to vortech about using your car as a guinea pig to make a sc kit for, look at they're sc kit for the si, it makes a lot of power if i remeber right, so sc can be done well on a no torque big hp car, also look at some info on the toyota 4agze that was in the supercharged 1st gen mr2s, that is a very good engine, but it doesn't make ridiculous amounts of power, even modded, its supposed to be very easy to drive though since it has a very wide powerband.

 

Actually the problem with the supercharger for the Lancer/Mirage has nothing to do with that. The problem is that the supercharger is a roots-type, but it uses used crankcase oil to lubricate it's working parts. That means it's super hot, kiddies. So, you got air getting heated up as soon as it hits the throttle body. That's straight from Dave at RPW... I think it's actually in that thread that Paul linked. But, that's in layman's terms. Add to that, it's more expensive than the RRM intercooled-turbo system by about 800 bucks. Now, theoretically, you could either set up a seperate oil system for the supercharger, or set up a "cooler" somehow for it in between the crank and the super, but, then you're talking about a ton of dough, and who knows how well it'd work. In short, I'm a fan of supercharging, even for 4cyl, but, at the same time, if it's gonna get you faster for less dough, then, I guess I'll have to say that TCing is best.

And, just remember, what's making parts cheaper for Civics is probably exactly why you didn't buy one. Don't want to be one of the crowd, yeah? Want a little uniqueness? Well, the thing that sucks about being different or unique is that not everyone and their dog scrambles to make parts for you. In eventuality, I'm sure we'll have good options, and as such, I'm not concerned. I mean, if you ever get concerned about parts, and being able to mod your car, go check out the mirage forums. That car was much much much less warmly recieved by the aftermarket than the Lancer, and they've made due. Just shows what patience can do.

 

well iv seen that there are two types of sc out there are the kind like the vortech and then there are the kind that tack the place of the hole intake like the jackson racing ones for the honda civics whats the dif between the two and really the ony reason i want a sc instead of a tc is i her that a sc is cheaper it just sucks that the only reason that the tc kits are so much for the lancer but i ges thats cuz there pretty much all custom like if greddy came out with a tc kit thay would be like $2,000 and the most thay would be is like $2,500 just cuz thay get all there stuff so cheap and can sell thm so cheap

well its funny how the usdm lancer has been out for like 2-3 years and cars like the matrix have been out fore like a year and there allredy a ton of parts out for the matrix and there cheap
oo well im sure there will be alot of parts coming out ones greddy has thers out cuz all the othere main companys arint going to let greddy have all the money

 

Yep. I'm for the SC deal. When RRM makes one, I'll buy it.

 

The Lancer has only seen 2 years on the market and as for the Matrix, it's definitely more tuner friendly with a boat load more power and upgradeability options (fat Corolla or Celica GT-S depending on what you get). http://www.motorera.com/dictionary/c...m#supercharger Read up on superchargers here. Pretty much what street, rat, and myself have said still stands.

 

Umm not to be a post junky here but theres a threah I wrote about SC the lancer if you want to follow it!

Until now not many peolpe have been sucessful with SC. We have found a ton of power with them and ThermoDynamics are with you. See a Turbo heats things up(Valves, pistons, Air...) That heat robs HP.

The SC runs cool so you can get More HP with less boost and less piping as a Intercooler is not as critical as with a turbo. Plus there would be not boost creep as with tehg turbo as well...

In out data logging with the 6cyl mitsu eclipse we have made well over 177 bolt on Hp which translats to 130-147 (Autyo-5spd) @ the wheel (bolt on). So with a mitsu GT V6 you go from a 161WHP car to a 260+WHP car...

We run 7-9psi on stock internals. Theres more info in the other posts.
Rippmods

 

I always thought superchargers had better low-end power while a turbocharger has better mid-range top-end power.

 

That's true but it all depends on how you set it up... See since larger engines usually use an SC it seems they don't rev...and that all the power comes in low ... or your used to seeing a rots type SC. We use a centrifugal type SC made by Vortech for RIPP.

What RIPP did was commission Vortech to build them a custom High Revving, SC (45000 rpm.) geared this way it makes boost starting @ 2500 rpm's. We take advantage of this boost and make power all the way thru the RPM band.

The cool thing is a turbo can't spool this fast unless its small then it drops off at the top... To big of a turbo then it comes in real late. This in turn hits the piston rings real hard with boost ... an if any of you have friends with Hondas ... then you know this ends up with blown engines.... To date our system has been installed by 40 Mitsu V6 GT's with not one blown engine. This is because we introduce boost gently by supplying volume of air then boost... The SC comes in precisely when we want ash and every time... No guess work as with turbo, basically its a much more controlled environment. Besides with all the boosted air available down low the torque would be up as compared to a turbo.

This coupled with our electronics would make our system the safe, reliable, and, probably as with the GT. V6 the most powerful system available.

Rippmods